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Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
#31
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
Hi.

Just to clarify, I didn't say (or think) it was in any way immoral or wrong to insult others for their beliefs. I was purely emphasizing the point that it probably won't help deconvert anybody, as some people seem to think.

Hope I haven't caused any controversy Tongue
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#32
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
(March 31, 2012 at 4:07 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Most of them wouldn't have the stomach to actually go through with it and you know it.

I've had a wildly divergent set of experiences in life that lead me to assume the exact opposite. People won't have the stomach for these things in isolation. Unfortunately for us, religion provides that hive mind bullshit.

Anonymous, because none of us are as cruel as all of us.

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#33
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
(March 31, 2012 at 4:21 pm)cdabamsworth Wrote: Hi.

Just to clarify, I didn't say (or think) it was in any way immoral or wrong to insult others for their beliefs. I was purely emphasizing the point that it probably won't help deconvert anybody, as some people seem to think.

Hope I haven't caused any controversy Tongue

Its like this most of the time anyway. Tongue

Just discussion no harm done.
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#34
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
(March 31, 2012 at 11:04 am)Tiberius Wrote: You should watch Phil Plait's "don't be a dick" speech. It's rather depressing that the majority of atheists seem to be aggressive and hateful. It doesn't do us any favours.

Right, tell us atheists to shut the fuck up like good little lemmings so shit like this goes on right Tiberias?
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#35
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
See, my reply to that would be that if some muslim doesn't want to handle pork - THAT IS IN A FUCKING PACKAGE ANYWAY - he shouldn't work in that store.

WTF are you supposed to do? Question each clerk at each check out line until you find one who does not think like a 12th century barbarian?
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#36
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
(March 31, 2012 at 4:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: See, my reply to that would be that if some muslim doesn't want to handle pork - THAT IS IN A FUCKING PACKAGE ANYWAY - he shouldn't work in that store.

WTF are you supposed to do? Question each clerk at each check out line until you find one who does not think like a 12th century barbarian?

Yet is is an atheist saying that an outspoken atheist is a dick...go figure.
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#37
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
Quote:It's rather depressing that the majority of atheists seem to be aggressive and hateful.

On forums,arguably,but we are atypical,at least in my country.


Here atheists, the irreverent and indifferent are in the majority. The general public tend to ignore vociferous believers until they become intrusive,especially trying to tell other adults how they should live. Australia is not America,

Oh,off forums,in my daily life,the issue of religion rarely cones up. It's even rarer for me to be even impolite to such people,I usually just walk away. Forums are a different world.

Please do not judge the majority by the way people like me behave on a forum and say on TV. (just as I do not judge the majority of Christians by idiot young earth creationists).

Quote:You should watch Phil Plait's "don't be a dick" speech

I don't know who that is or why I should care what he says. Atheism is about a lack of belief,there are no implicit rules of behaviour. All I'll say is that in real life I avoid aggressive and hateful people,period.
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#38
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
Quote:You should watch Phil Plait's "don't be a dick" speech


Someone needs to learn what it means to be a "dick."

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#39
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
(March 31, 2012 at 3:43 pm)Rhythm Wrote: LOL, it's aight Whateverist, I'm a dick in alot of ways (and worse than that). Doesn't bother me all that much. When people's religious views are hateful they deserve the hate, no kid gloves. They're free to believe it, and I'm free to call them an asshole for it. Two way street.

The difference in my being a dick and their being an asshole is simple. I'm a dick because I'm a big meanie that doesn't feel that "belief" = "free reign to spout viscious bullshit without people calling you an asshole", they an asshole because they argue for blood magic, scapegoating, and human sacrifice as virtue. GG.

I too have my dick moments. But the mere fact that someone believes in a god or atonement surely cannot make them an asshole. It is what they do about it that makes them worthy of scorn. Those who want to slam gays or make my kid pray at school or make the science curriculum more bible-friendly or tell me why I should believe what they believe deserve both barrels. But the mere fact they they believe what I find no reason to believe hardly makes them an asshole. While young-earth Christians are demonstably stupid and probably should not be entrusted with the care of children, there are Christians who are able to embrace science, discuss the bible rationally as a work of literature and accept they have no more rational basis for accepting their religious beliefs than you do for dismissing them. No one owes any one else a justification for their beliefs.
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#40
RE: Insulting & attacking belief doesn't work.
(March 31, 2012 at 10:05 pm)whateverist Wrote: [quote='Rhythm' pid='264265' dateline='1333222999']
But the mere fact that someone believes in a god or atonement surely cannot make them an asshole.

Oh, sure it can.


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