Evolution

[Jaysyn]

Evolution is unproven.

Stupid quote of the day.

[NoMoreFaith]

Actually gravity is a law. We know gravity will bring you down (what goes up must come down). Evolution is unproven.

Um.. No.

Laws are rules within a theory. For instance Newtons Laws of Motions, are laws within the theory of Gravity.

Read a textbook.

"Does it frighten you, that an afternoon on wiki-fucking-pedia might enlighten you".

What laws are written in evolution?

Aaah, now you accept that Gravity is not a law then. We're making progress.

A theory does not become a law, it states the observation but does not explain it.

In terms of evolution, it is a law that the offspring comprises of the genetic combination of its parents with minor variations due to mutation. It is also a law that only species with close genetic links can interbreed.

[Minimalist]

Evolution is unproven.

But I bet this fucking dickhead thinks that his 'god' playing in the dirt is an incontrovertible fact.

How do such people continue to function in a modern world? You'd think they would be killed trying to operate a cell phone by their sheer stupidity.

[genkaus]

Actually gravity is a law. We know gravity will bring you down (what goes up must come down). Evolution is unproven.

Actually, gravity is a fact which refers to the phenomenon of force of attraction between two bodies with a mass. It has been observed, tested and established.

Evolution, too, is a fact which refers to variation in reproducing organisms. It too has been observed, tested and established.

There are both Theory of Gravitation and the Theory of Evolution which contain different laws such as law of gravitation and natural selection to refer to the mechanisms within those theories. As it stands, theory of evolution is much better established than the theory of gravity.

[Abishalom]

Actually gravity is a law. We know gravity will bring you down (what goes up must come down). Evolution is unproven.

Um.. No.

Laws are rules within a theory. For instance Newtons Laws of Motions, are laws within the theory of Gravity.

Read a textbook.

"Does it frighten you, that an afternoon on wiki-fucking-pedia might enlighten you".

What laws are written in evolution?

Aaah, now you accept that Gravity is not a law then. We're making progress.

A theory does not become a law, it states the observation but does not explain it.

In terms of evolution, it is a law that the offspring comprises of the genetic combination of its parents with minor variations due to mutation. It is also a law that only species with close genetic links can interbreed.

If you are talking about natural selection. I agree. But these limited variations are probably where our common ground on evolution end.

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Actually gravity is a law. We know gravity will bring you down (what goes up must come down). Evolution is unproven.

Actually, gravity is a fact which refers to the phenomenon of force of attraction between two bodies with a mass. It has been observed, tested and established.

Evolution, too, is a fact which refers to variation in reproducing organisms. It too has been observed, tested and established.

There are both Theory of Gravitation and the Theory of Evolution which contain different laws such as law of gravitation and natural selection to refer to the mechanisms within those theories. As it stands, theory of evolution is much better established than the theory of gravity.

Yes variation in reproducing organisms is proven fact, but only to certain degree. I agree. But there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE supporting common descent (other than wild imagination).

[genkaus]

Yes variation in reproducing organisms is proven fact, but only to certain degree. I agree.

Wrong. No such limitation has ever been established.

But there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE supporting common descent (other than wild imagination).

And evidence from genetics, comparative anatomy, paleontology, geographical distribution, observed natural selection and observed speciation. Go read a fucking book.

[Abishalom]

Wrong. No such limitation has ever been established.

Have you ever read any type of science book...ever? Variation has limitations. This can be observed, tested and repeated. Variation without limitation has NEVER been documented. It has been proposed, but it has NEVER been proven.

And evidence from genetics, comparative anatomy, paleontology, geographical distribution, observed natural selection and observed speciation. Go read a fucking book.

You're an expert in these fields? I guarantee you if you speak to an expert they could not give you an honest example of infinite variation without rationalizing and speculating. Of course they will likely be honest with you and tell you straight up that they cannot prove it in their field. But then they reassure you that another field can prove. It just begins a circle.

[genkaus]

Have you ever read any type of science book...ever? Variation has limitations. This can be observed, tested and repeated. Variation without limitation has NEVER been documented. It has been proposed, but it has NEVER been proven.

I have. And I've read many scientific journals as well. None of them say that after X amount of variation, no more can occur. Variation HAS been documented. No limitation has EVER been documented. If you have evidence to the contrary, feel free to provide it.

You're an expert in these fields? I guarantee you if you speak to an expert they could not give you an honest example of infinite variation without rationalizing and speculating. Of course they will likely be honest with you and tell you straight up that they cannot prove it in their field. But then they reassure you that another field can prove. It just begins a circle.

Clearly, you've never talked to one. Every expert in the field would be able to prove only to the extent of his field. If you are specifically concerned about variation in genetics, talk to a geneticist. He'll tell you if it has a limit or not. (Hint: It doesn't).

[Abishalom]

I have. And I've read many scientific journals as well. None of them say that after X amount of variation, no more can occur. Variation HAS been documented. No limitation has EVER been documented. If you have evidence to the contrary, feel free to provide it.

You cannot be serious.

Here's a few articles to digest. You can see for yourself if variation is infinite.
http://www.ugr.es/~jmgreyes/gene%20flow%...ection.pdf
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/23...6053352483
http://www.genetics.org/content/140/2/821.full.pdf

Clearly, you've never talked to one. Every expert in the field would be able to prove only to the extent of his field. If you are specifically concerned about variation in genetics, talk to a geneticist. He'll tell you if it has a limit or not. (Hint: It doesn't).

Guy you're delusional. They readily admit that their field does not prove evolution (common descent, infinite variation). It's well documented that there are limits to variation through natural selection (even in mutations). You seem to be uninformed.

[genkaus]

You cannot be serious.

Here's a few articles to digest. You can see for yourself if variation is infinite.
http://www.ugr.es/~jmgreyes/gene%20flow%...ection.pdf
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/23...6053352483
http://www.genetics.org/content/140/2/821.full.pdf

Read them before you post, moron. All of them talk about limits on natural selection not variation.

Guy you're delusional. They readily admit that their field does not prove evolution (common descent, infinite variation). It's well documented that there are limits to variation through natural selection (even in mutations). You seem to be uninformed.

Read again. The limitations are on natural selection NOT variation.