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RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
April 29, 2012 at 1:53 am
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If I told my atheist friends that I had a conversation, I sure as shit hope they would ridicule me, or possibly drop me off at the behavioral center for further skitzophrenia analysis.
Conversation with god*
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RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
April 29, 2012 at 1:59 am
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(April 29, 2012 at 1:28 am)Godschild Wrote: (April 29, 2012 at 1:02 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: (April 29, 2012 at 12:58 am)Godschild Wrote: ....
Seems to me the question I put before you is the only relevant one.
The only thing I could find that could be interpreted as a question is this:
Quote:Shouldn't you ask this of yourself, I have the information now what will I do with it.
I have no idea what that even means. Please sir, explain why you think it's the only relevant one?
You have been speaking about people who never get a chance to hear of Christ and if they do not see God through nature and live a decent life they will go to hell. What I'm saying is that you do have this information and the way you handle it IMO is relevant to the rest of eternity. To me we can not know how God will judge those who will not hear of Christ before they die, I trust that God has a perfect plan for that.
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1. Yes, why wouldn't it be, God says that no one will be judged by what another does.
2. Yes, when we have a chance to share Christ and we do not, we are in the wrong.
See, when you say that a person is entirely responsible for being in hell, and that it's wrong for a Christian to not witness, you're making a big mess for yourself. Let's say for example, Bob is a nonbeliever, and Larry is a Christian. Larry and Bob are life long friends, but Larry never witnesses to him. In fact, to Bob, Larry is just as secular as he is. Bob eventually dies in his sins. At judgement day, God in effect says to Bob, "I never knew you" and cast him in the lake of fire because Bob never believed out of his free will. Larry eventually dies, God allows him into heaven because he believed but mentions "You never shared the gospel to Bob, and he never believed, and now he's in Hell. You should be ashamed of yourself! Didn't I command you to share the gospel to everyone? Anyway, here's your harp. Happy plucking!"
So which is it? Is Bob in Hell because he never believed or is he in Hell because Larry never witnessed to him? If he's in Hell because it's his own free fault, then witnessing is irrelevant. But if he's in Hell because Larry didn't witness to him, then his doom is the result of Larry not giving him enough information. It also means that it's not his fault, but someone else's.
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RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
April 29, 2012 at 4:19 am
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Your trying to reason faith. I dont think you can do that.
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RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
April 29, 2012 at 8:27 am
(April 29, 2012 at 4:19 am)C Rod Wrote: Your trying to reason faith. I dont think you can do that.
I agree with C-rod, there is no way you can apply reason (or logic) to faith.
BTW I always thought it exceedingly odd that this "omnipotent" god only ever chose to reveal himself to some scabby, lice ridden tribe of goat molesters in the Middle East.
And completely overlooked the rest of the planet.
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RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
April 29, 2012 at 8:53 am
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(April 29, 2012 at 4:19 am)C Rod Wrote: Your trying to reason faith. I dont think you can do that.
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RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
April 29, 2012 at 9:02 am
(April 28, 2012 at 7:50 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I have never understood if God really loves everyone and wants everyone to believe in him (or make him their lord or whatever else your spin on salvation might be) so he isn't force by his perfect justice to condemn unbelievers to an eternity in hell, why doesn't he just show himself continuously to everyone?
I know what you're already thinking. Free will, blah blah blah. Nope. What i am thinking is God does not love everone. Ask Esau, Pharroah, the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, Cain, the people caught outside the Ark when the flood came, Judas, the Pharasees, and the Saducees, Ultimatly everyone who does not sin and seek redemption for it.
do you feel the Love of God?
The next question do you want to?
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RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
April 29, 2012 at 9:06 am
(April 29, 2012 at 9:02 am)Drich Wrote: do you feel the Love of God?
The next question do you want to?
Said the priest to the alterboy......
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RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
April 29, 2012 at 9:07 am
Drich Wrote: do you feel the Love of God?
The next question do you want to?
1. I do not believe a god exists. Remember?
2. Why would I?
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RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
April 29, 2012 at 9:10 am
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Drich, God might not but Jesus does.
"A love as wide as the ocean, so far flung no enemy is beyond it"
Does all faith have to do with religion?
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RE: God, come out, come out wherever you are!
April 29, 2012 at 9:14 am
(April 29, 2012 at 9:10 am)C Rod Wrote: Drich, God might not but Jesus does.
"A love as wide as the ocean, so far flung no enemy is beyond it"
Does all faith have to do with religion?
Luke19:27
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
Except for these guys apparently.
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