Atheists are Intolerant

[Phil]

May as well be slapping your forehead on a brick wall for the next 6 hours.

I prefer to use a line from the Anthrax song Caught In A Mosh - Talking to you is like clapping with one hand.

[genkaus]

Where are the commandments for the first 5 things you listed? I am aware of the dietary laws (eat fish with scales and fins), so you do not have to quote anything for shellfish.

Who's talking about commandments? All those actions were in the bible and were endorsed by your god. Hence, your bible can be used to justify those actions.

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No you're just creating a double standard (you're just too stupid to realize it). Christian can have political reason. Okay well that's refreshing to finally get some honesty. But here's where you fail..."but when the religious reasons are presented as the primary excuse, then it is killing in name of Christianity." So Christians can have political reason, but when they present religious reason as an excuse it is no longer political. Your logic is way off. If they present a religious reason to push a political agenda, it is still a political agenda. That does not mean the bible teaches us to use religion for political gains. On the contrary, the bible teaches separation of church an state. SO anybody using religion for worldly gains is akin to a whore (hence whore Babylon).

If they can use religion to justify whatever they are doing, then religion is to blame. By the way, there is nothing in the bible that calls for separation of church and state. Also, many Christians are using religion as an excuse to get type of society they want - free from prostitution, drugs, homosexuals etc. And that includes you. That is a worldly gain. So, by that definition, you are all whores.

[Cinjin]

Obviously it is not ok if one person, two people, a few people, or a million people are put to death for being homosexual - I ask again, do YOU think it is? Do you feel it is morally correct for someone to be killed for that? I've asked you once already and you've skirted the issue enough. Tell me what YOUR opinion is.

He cannot answer the question. Its impossible. For him to say, "yes, homosexuals deserve to die" paints him a barbaric hateful typical Christian bigot willing to commit the immoral act of murder to prevent "the immoral act" of homosexuality. However saying "no, they don't deserve to die" is going against his god's "perfect unchanging laws." And that would open a door that he knows he can't close.

He wont answer the question. He will dance around it all day because he CANNOT answer it.

[ElDinero]

I like backing them into the corner.

[Abishalom]

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I don't think you're in a position to tell someone to "reconsider there views" unless you're one to take your own advice. Hypothetically, if there was a death penalty for homosexuality would you be a homosexual. I could easily say no because I'm not a homosexual? Obviously it's a choice not a "disease". But if 2 men chose to engage in homosexual activity and were caught in the act by 3 guys (must be awkward), despite the "couple" knowing the penalty. What do you think should happen, given that there is a death penalty in place? Of course, they would have to go to trial and have substantial evidence against them. I doubt a hotel room could legally have security cameras in individuals rooms. So it's their words against the homosexuals. Good luck with that.

Anyway, the whole point is that most people probably weren't getting the death penalty. I know you just want to keep hitting your point "well it's in the bible" just so you can continue to lash out at God, but it's just not going to work like that. Realistically those homosexuals would have their door locked and the windows shut and tv on and they were probably in the penthouse so the manager couldn't really hear them in the first place and the assistant was out to lunch. And they have their right to privacy, so nobody's getting in the hotel room. They'll probably live the rest of their lives as homosexuals. So get over it.

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See, if you'd answered my original post with 'I am an idiotic bigoted cunt', we'd have saved a lot of time wasting.

You seem to be suggesting that all laws are just, and that disobeying laws is worse than putting into practice laws that are, by any normal measuring stick, unfair. With this being the case, how can anyone effect change? Take your statement that 'Hypothetically, if there was a death penalty for homosexuality would you be a homosexual', and now imagine it like this - 'If there was a jail sentence for black people sitting at the front of the bus, would you sit at the front of the bus if you were black?'. Would you say that black people should have just taken their lot and got on with things? Or do we indeed have a moral obligation to disobey unjust laws? These aren't rhetorical questions, I'd love to know your opinion.

You are a bigot, and I wonder if you're willing to admit it. Either that or you're just trying to get a reaction. Your final remark that 'So not many people would be getting killed. Okay?' screams of an attention seeker looking for a response. Obviously it is not ok if one person, two people, a few people, or a million people are put to death for being homosexual - I ask again, do YOU think it is? Do you feel it is morally correct for someone to be killed for that? I've asked you once already and you've skirted the issue enough. Tell me what YOUR opinion is.

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Oh, and as a footnote - I don't know why you're suggesting I should reconsider my view, perhaps you could clarify what you meant here. My position on the subject is quite clear, and I can justify it very easily. I don't think anyone should be punished in any way for their sexuality, because it's nothing to do with anybody else and doesn't affect anyone else.

If you can give me sound reason to divert from that view, I certainly will reconsider. Best of luck, bigot.

Obviously I took the bait on your "loaded question" all you wanted to do is yell "bigot". I do not know how you draw the conjecture that I think all laws are just. And I find quite comical that you actually just compared laws against homosexuality to laws against being black (typical). I never read a bible story about homosexuals getting the death penalties, but I read about 400+ years of horror on blacks in America. So I find your "comparison" quite offensive. I highly doubt you're in a position to speak for black people. Maybe you're the bigot and possibly racist or just plain ignorant.

What do I mean by "reconsider your views"? I mean the same thing you did. As for you claiming I'm seeking a response... "screams of an attention seeker looking for a response"...you're the one begging for me to respond so you can yell "bigot'. Do I condone homosexuality? No, but just keep it yourself. Do I think it's moral to "kill homosexuals"? Well I wouldn't go around "stoning" them. You "begged" me to be hypothetical. So I played your little game. If their actually was a law for homosexuality, as stated before you we need witnesses and substantial evidence to prove (which is highly unlikely). So you're just going to have to accept that as my answer.

[Tobie]

See, if you'd answered my original post with 'I am an idiotic bigoted cunt', we'd have saved a lot of time wasting.

You seem to be suggesting that all laws are just, and that disobeying laws is worse than putting into practice laws that are, by any normal measuring stick, unfair. With this being the case, how can anyone effect change? Take your statement that 'Hypothetically, if there was a death penalty for homosexuality would you be a homosexual', and now imagine it like this - 'If there was a jail sentence for black people sitting at the front of the bus, would you sit at the front of the bus if you were black?'. Would you say that black people should have just taken their lot and got on with things? Or do we indeed have a moral obligation to disobey unjust laws? These aren't rhetorical questions, I'd love to know your opinion.

You are a bigot, and I wonder if you're willing to admit it. Either that or you're just trying to get a reaction. Your final remark that 'So not many people would be getting killed. Okay?' screams of an attention seeker looking for a response. Obviously it is not ok if one person, two people, a few people, or a million people are put to death for being homosexual - I ask again, do YOU think it is? Do you feel it is morally correct for someone to be killed for that? I've asked you once already and you've skirted the issue enough. Tell me what YOUR opinion is.

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Oh, and as a footnote - I don't know why you're suggesting I should reconsider my view, perhaps you could clarify what you meant here. My position on the subject is quite clear, and I can justify it very easily. I don't think anyone should be punished in any way for their sexuality, because it's nothing to do with anybody else and doesn't affect anyone else.

If you can give me sound reason to divert from that view, I certainly will reconsider. Best of luck, bigot.

Obviously I took the bait on your "loaded question" all you wanted to do is yell "bigot". I find quite comical that you actually just compared laws against homosexuality to laws against being black (typical). I never read a bible story about homosexuals getting the death penalties, but I read about 400+ years of horror on blacks in America. So I find your "comparison" quite offensive. I highly doubt you're in a position to speak for black people. Maybe you're the bigot and possibly racist or just plain ignorant.

What do I mean by "reconsider your views"? I mean the same thing you did.

Are you completely ignorant?

There's still a few countries in the world where homosexuality is punishable by death ( and yes, they are very religious countries, although, in some, lesbians are fine ). Up until the 1960s, homosexuality was illegal in Britain, and the government's countermeasures to this perceived crime drove many to suicide.

Sodom and Gomorrah is a bible story about homosexuals getting the death penalty.

[Abishalom]

Obviously I took the bait on your "loaded question" all you wanted to do is yell "bigot". I find quite comical that you actually just compared laws against homosexuality to laws against being black (typical). I never read a bible story about homosexuals getting the death penalties, but I read about 400+ years of horror on blacks in America. So I find your "comparison" quite offensive. I highly doubt you're in a position to speak for black people. Maybe you're the bigot and possibly racist or just plain ignorant.

What do I mean by "reconsider your views"? I mean the same thing you did.

Are you completely ignorant?

There's still a few countries in the world where homosexuality is punishable by death ( and yes, they are very religious countries, although, in some, lesbians are fine ). Up until the 1960s, homosexuality was illegal in Britain, and the government's countermeasures to this perceived crime drove many to suicide.

Sodom and Gomorrah is a bible story about homosexuals getting the death penalty.

Well why don't you go protest in those countries since you're sooo noble.

BTW Sodom and Gomorrah was not punished for being "homosexuals". I'm not sure where you got that from.

[Epimethean]

"Do I think it's moral to "kill homosexuals"? Well I wouldn't go around "stoning" them."

Still snaking around the issue.

[Abishalom]

"Do I think it's moral to "kill homosexuals"? Well I wouldn't go around "stoning" them."

Still snaking around the issue.

Why do you atheist care so much about homosexuals? Why don't you go protest gay rights or something? Yall seem to have some kind of ignorant belief that if a person discovered the homsexuals in the act they are to kill them on spot. It doesn't even work that way. They had due process just like all the other Israelites. The likelihood of someone getting the death penalty for homsexuality was slim to none. In fact I am not aware of one instance of this mentioned in the Bible. The main point of the bible isn't about homos so get over it.

[Epimethean]

"Why do you atheist care so much about homosexuals? Why don't you go protest gay rights or something? Yall seem to have some kind of ignorant belief that if a person discovered the homsexuals in the act they are to kill them on spot. It doesn't even work that way. They had due process just like all the other Israelites. The likelihood of someone getting the death penalty for homsexuality was slim to none. In fact I am not aware of one instance of this mentioned in the Bible. The main point of the bible isn't about homos so get over it."

Still snaking around the issue.