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RE: There's no nicer way to say this but...
May 10, 2012 at 3:57 pm
(May 10, 2012 at 3:46 pm)Paul the Human Wrote: The penis and vagina were made for each other... For the purpose of reproduction. Sex for pleasure, aka 'making love', does not need to have reproduction as a goal. Sexual attraction does not need that goal.
The pleasure factor is to serve as an incentive, obviously.
Still doesn't change the factor that your default sexuality should be the one you were born with. However, due to genetic or hormonal factors, some people seek this elsewhere.
They are obviously not normal, as they do not act according to their chromosomal association and prefer to engage in acts with people whom they should not be attracted towards.
Quote:So might makes right does it? There are more of you, so you get to decline someone's fulfillment of life? Because most of us are heterosexual, we shouldn't allow homosexuals equality? Who made you judge, jury and executioner?
Well, as homosexuals now identify themselves as a "minority", we must be the majority. I believe that the minority are entitled to the same fundamental rights as the majority, but as I've already stated, marriage, and having children is not just a right, it's a privilage, granted by the society and state.
Allowing homosexuality is a different thing, allowing it to soil the foundations of society and family is another.
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May 10, 2012 at 4:07 pm
mehmet Wrote:Well, the vagina and penis speak otherwise.
Sorry, I just had to quote mine this.
(had to inject some humor here, this is fucking depressing me)
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May 10, 2012 at 4:13 pm
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Quote:So might makes right does it? There are more of you, so you get to decline someone's fulfillment of life? Because most of us are heterosexual, we shouldn't allow homosexuals equality? Who made you judge, jury and executioner?
He's got 'Dictator' written all over him.
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May 10, 2012 at 4:15 pm
So allowing gay marriage is going to be disastrous? Because all these years it's been fine, but if we let them marry, it'll be the end of the world?
Homosexuality has been around as long as arseholes have; it's not going to start undermining society now when it hasn't since the dawn of human civilization. The Greeks and Romans allowed homosexuality, and the modern western world ( even Turkey to an extent - the Sultan did call himself Ceaser [Kayseri] after all ) is built on their foundations.
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May 10, 2012 at 4:48 pm
(May 10, 2012 at 4:15 pm)Tobie Wrote: So allowing gay marriage is going to be disastrous? Because all these years it's been fine, but if we let them marry, it'll be the end of the world?
Homosexuality has been around as long as arseholes have; it's not going to start undermining society now when it hasn't since the dawn of human civilization. The Greeks and Romans allowed homosexuality, and the modern western world ( even Turkey to an extent - the Sultan did call himself Ceaser [Kayseri] after all ) is built on their foundations. End of the world, I'd say not. But it certainly would destroy a pillar of society.
As I previously mentioned, Greeks and Romans were notorious pedarasts, and the Ottomans have adopted such ugly practices from the persians who were also notorious pedarasts, wheras it was grave offense in Turkish societies ever since from the Huns.
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May 10, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Drinking coffee was a death penalty offence in Turkey, no reason for us to stop drinking it.
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May 10, 2012 at 5:13 pm
(May 10, 2012 at 4:56 pm)Tobie Wrote: Drinking coffee was a death penalty offence in Turkey, no reason for us to stop drinking it. I've given examples of my own culture since you've seen it fit to give examples from the days of Devlet-i Aliyye, the proper name of the Ottoman empire.
If you want to discuss the coffee ban, true, there was a time when the consumption of coffee in coffeehouses was forbidden. Coffee could still be brewn and drank at home. It was done with a purpose: coffeehouses were, as they are still, places of idleness and laxity. IV. Murad Khan saw it fit to abolish such houses, while also making alcohol illegal, according to Moslem standards, however he himself was a heavy drinker.
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May 10, 2012 at 5:59 pm
(May 10, 2012 at 5:13 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I've given examples of my own culture since you've seen it fit to give examples from the days of Devlet-i Aliyye, the proper name of the Ottoman empire.
...and you don't see how that somewhat unenlightened approach to something simple like coffee could give us the impression that maybe your society isn't the one we want to draw up blueprints for ours to be based upon? I mean, seriously? You don't see the problem there?
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May 10, 2012 at 6:03 pm
(May 10, 2012 at 5:59 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: (May 10, 2012 at 5:13 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I've given examples of my own culture since you've seen it fit to give examples from the days of Devlet-i Aliyye, the proper name of the Ottoman empire.
...and you don't see how that somewhat unenlightened approach to something simple like coffee could give us the impression that maybe your society isn't the one we want to draw up blueprints for ours to be based upon? I mean, seriously? You don't see the problem there?
No, because tis the same for your society also. Since when was homosexuality so cherished in your country? It still isn't, really. Your customs and traditions denounce it. But I guess it's this whole counter-culture movement and the false impression of individual independence it brings that makes you come up with new meanings for things.
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May 10, 2012 at 6:13 pm
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(May 10, 2012 at 6:03 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: (May 10, 2012 at 5:59 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: ...and you don't see how that somewhat unenlightened approach to something simple like coffee could give us the impression that maybe your society isn't the one we want to draw up blueprints for ours to be based upon? I mean, seriously? You don't see the problem there?
No, because tis the same for your society also. Since when was homosexuality so cherished in your country? It still isn't, really. Your customs and traditions denounce it. But I guess it's this whole counter-culture movement and the false impression of individual independence it brings that makes you come up with new meanings for things.
It isn't, countries can't have an opinion but the people residing in them can. The majorities opinion can lead towards things like freewill, human rights, peace, love. These are the things we as human beings cherish. I don't care if someones gay or not, I just respect their right to pursue that life because it isn't hurting me and I wish the best for them. If the majority feels these things are important enough then customs and traditions can change because we can change them.
I'm very sorry the majority of your countries population and some of Americas population apparantly doesn't feel those things are important.
I do though.... I also like coffee.
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