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Shamans and Scientists
June 7, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Why is it that scientists are just now discovering what shamans have been saying for thousands of years?
All life is one, for instance. That is a physical, very true fact. (I read that in "Genome", by Matt Ridley)
There are a whole bunch of others, but I can't think of them right now.
If any agree, or disagree, or have any new/good/what have you information, I would really appreciate some input.  Thanks.
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RE: Shamans and Scientists
June 7, 2009 at 8:02 pm
I'm not sure I understand you. What have Shamans been saying for thousands of years that scientists have only just discovered?
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RE: Shamans and Scientists
June 7, 2009 at 8:41 pm
(June 7, 2009 at 8:02 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I'm not sure I understand you. What have Shamans been saying for thousands of years that scientists have only just discovered?
All life is one.
Love is power.
Sorry if I'm being vague. D: I'm trying to express this as much as I can, trying to get across the information.
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RE: Shamans and Scientists
June 7, 2009 at 9:05 pm
What exactly does "All life is one" mean? How has science shown this? Life isn't one at all; there are various forms of life. Sorry but I just don't get what you are saying concerning shamans knowing things before science...
"Love is power" isn't a scientific statement at all. When did scientists publish papers on love/power exactly? It's more poetry than science.
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RE: Shamans and Scientists
June 7, 2009 at 9:09 pm
(This post was last modified: June 7, 2009 at 9:13 pm by Tabby.)
(June 7, 2009 at 9:05 pm)Tiberius Wrote: What exactly does "All life is one" mean? How has science shown this? Life isn't one at all; there are various forms of life. Sorry but I just don't get what you are saying concerning shamans knowing things before science...
Well, we all came from one cell that divided itself over and over and then evolution and so forth...so, sure.
Tiberius Wrote:"Love is power" isn't a scientific statement at all. When did scientists publish papers on love/power exactly? It's more poetry than science.
o_o I'm sorry about that last statement. I wasn't thinking clearly.
I apologize.
I was high off of weed when I wrote that last night, and today I wanted to share it with you guys. I just now realized how silly it sounds...
I'm sorry, again. D:
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RE: Shamans and Scientists
June 8, 2009 at 12:07 am
We didn't necessarily come from one cell. It could have been many cells that appeared over a long period of time in different places on Earth.
Nevertheless, to say that abiogenesis and evolution can be summed up as "All life is one" is ambitious at best. I guess it is down to interpretation, just like the various prophecies that people claim Nostrodamus made. If you take the prophecy at base value, it is meaningless. If you interpret it in a certain way, suddenly it gains meaning, but it just begs the question: Why didn't the original author write it in a way that was unambiguous and stated the meaning clearly.
The phrase "All life is one", to me, seems to describe all life on Earth sharing the same thing, whether it be presence or consciousness or whatever.
A good way to test prophecies is to invert them and see if they still make sense. For instance, imagine that instead of "All life is one", we had "All life is many". Does "All life is many" make sense? Well, yes it does if you interpret it a different way.
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RE: Shamans and Scientists
June 8, 2009 at 12:23 am
Quote:That is a physical, very true fact.
(1) "A true fact" is redundant,something is either a fact or it is not. As is "very true". Something is either true or it is not,it cannot be "very true".
(2) I am as yet unconvinced that your claim is right in an absolute sense, especially because science does not make claims of absolutes.
There is also the small problem of definitions.
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RE: Shamans and Scientists
June 8, 2009 at 12:25 am
Another point of the beginning singled cell organism was that it was a much simpler cell and could change very easily.
I'm not 100% sure of the "Exact" meaning behind "All life is one"..... I could interrupt this in many, many ways.
Is it saying that we are all connected in the essence of, Energy, Mass, Both????
Or does it have more of a spiritual "Pagan" type meaning? (Especially coming from the Shaman)...
Intelligence is the only true moral guide...
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RE: Shamans and Scientists
June 8, 2009 at 1:52 am
(June 7, 2009 at 8:41 pm)obsessed_philosopher Wrote: All life is one.
Love is power.
Sorry if I'm being vague. D: I'm trying to express this as much as I can, trying to get across the information.
IMO that sounds like wishful thinking (aka BS).
Kyu
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RE: Shamans and Scientists
June 8, 2009 at 4:22 am
(June 8, 2009 at 1:52 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: (June 7, 2009 at 8:41 pm)obsessed_philosopher Wrote: All life is one.
Love is power.
Sorry if I'm being vague. D: I'm trying to express this as much as I can, trying to get across the information.
IMO that sounds like wishful thinking (aka BS).
Kyu
Agree with you.
All life is one? As Kyu say, it's sounds a bit BS to me too. It's nothing that say that all life is one.
Love is power? In what way?
- Science is not trying to create an answer like religion, it tries to find an answer.
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