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(January 17, 2016 at 6:45 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: In response to Richard Feynman's comment. God is Most fair to His creatures. By this I mean He gives us all a chance to know and accept His guidance. This way when we stand b4 Him in judgment we can't say " My Lord, i was in doubt and wasnt sure. My Lord I didn't know" so God makes sure that every person knows about Him and hears of Him. Whether they accept Him or not is the question
And that is who again? Zeus?
I really admire your sense of humor. But no. I was referring to the One and only God Allah
(January 17, 2016 at 6:50 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: And that is who again? Zeus?
I really admire your sense of humor. But no. I was referring to the One and only God Allah
Do you think people in the Andromeda Galaxy pray five times a day toward Mecca? Your favorite deity is just a regional fairy tale cooked up by delusional superstitious twits in the 7th Century to control their even dumber buddies.
(January 17, 2016 at 8:46 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote: I really admire your sense of humor. But no. I was referring to the One and only God Allah
Do you think people in the Andromeda Galaxy pray five times a day toward Mecca? Your favorite deity is just a regional fairy tale cooked up by delusional superstitious twits in the 7th Century to control their even dumber buddies.
Ur right in a sense. Proof of God is not possible in this life and is based on faith. So I can see how it makes sense that He doesn't exist to one who doesn't believe in Him. But to one who does believe in Him, like myself, it makes much more sense that He does exist. So again that is where the power of free will comes into play. In the Qur'an God says: "For he who wants to believe let him believe, and he who wants to disbelieve let him disbelieve." So God in that one verse says we are created with free will so do what u want. On another subject I've ask this question and not sure exactly who I asked, but I never got a response so I'll ask u. Just to help me understand more of the atheist views. What is ur view on angels. Do u believe they exist or ever existed? Also what is ur view on the Hereafter or life after death?
(January 17, 2016 at 9:48 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Do you think people in the Andromeda Galaxy pray five times a day toward Mecca? Your favorite deity is just a regional fairy tale cooked up by delusional superstitious twits in the 7th Century to control their even dumber buddies.
Ur right in a sense. Proof of God is not possible in this life and is based on faith. So I can see how it makes sense that He doesn't exist to one who doesn't believe in Him. But to one who does believe in Him, like myself, it makes much more sense that He does exist. So again that is where the power of free will comes into play. In the Qur'an God says: "For he who wants to believe let him believe, and he who wants to disbelieve let him disbelieve." So God in that one verse says we are created with free will so do what u want. On another subject I've ask this question and not sure exactly who I asked, but I never got a response so I'll ask u. Just to help me understand more of the atheist views. What is ur view on angels. Do u believe they exist or ever existed? Also what is ur view on the Hereafter or life after death?
There is no invisible celestial spiritual god of any kind, especially in this solar system. There are no angels, demons, spirits, ghosts, resurrections, eternal heavens, paradises, or hells. When you die you will be forgotten by everyone, unless you did something noteworthy and then people will just know your name and deeds but they won't know you.
The only "gods", "angels", and "demons" are just ordinary people who do good and bad things depending upon their moods at any particular time. People make their own "heavens" and "hells" and sometimes other people get caught up in them through no fault of their own.
Everything that you will experience has already happened to someone else. One guy even lived through the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear explosions and died from old age.
No one has to prove the existence of God. He has to prove his existence to us. He has never done that so for all practical purposes he doesn't exist except in your imagination. No one really believes in someone else's version of God. That because he doesn't exist outside of each believer's imagination. So everyone has a different version. Your version is different than those of your parents. You rely upon some ancient unknown person for everything that you think you know about your favorite deity. You believe it because you live in a peer pressure society that forces everyone to comply.
(January 18, 2016 at 2:50 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: Ur right in a sense. Proof of God is not possible in this life and is based on faith. So I can see how it makes sense that He doesn't exist to one who doesn't believe in Him. But to one who does believe in Him, like myself, it makes much more sense that He does exist. So again that is where the power of free will comes into play. In the Qur'an God says: "For he who wants to believe let him believe, and he who wants to disbelieve let him disbelieve." So God in that one verse says we are created with free will so do what u want. On another subject I've ask this question and not sure exactly who I asked, but I never got a response so I'll ask u. Just to help me understand more of the atheist views. What is ur view on angels. Do u believe they exist or ever existed? Also what is ur view on the Hereafter or life after death?
There is no invisible celestial spiritual god of any kind, especially in this solar system. There are no angels, demons, spirits, ghosts, resurrections, eternal heavens, paradises, or hells. When you die you will be forgotten by everyone, unless you did something noteworthy and then people will just know your name and deeds but they won't know you.
The only "gods", "angels", and "demons" are just ordinary people who do good and bad things depending upon their moods at any particular time. People make their own "heavens" and "hells" and sometimes other people get caught up in them through no fault of their own.
Everything that you will experience has already happened to someone else. One guy even lived through the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear explosions and died from old age.
No one has to prove the existence of God. He has to prove his existence to us. He has never done that so for all practical purposes he doesn't exist except in your imagination. No one really believes in someone else's version of God. That because he doesn't exist outside of each believer's imagination. So everyone has a different version. Your version is different than those of your parents. You rely upon some ancient unknown person for everything that you think you know about your favorite deity. You believe it because you live in a peer pressure society that forces everyone to comply.
That's an interesting view. But we certainly believe that the One who created us from nothing at all can without doubt raise us back to life after having been something. Not that anything is difficult fo God but from a human standpoint It definitely seems more difficult to create something out of nothing than to resurrect a dead being after it existed. So if God can do the former why wouldn't He be able to do the latter? We believe we as humy were created for the Hereafter. This world we r n now is just temporary. We r simply passing through this life. Now how we live it in belief in God and the deeds we do determines where our final place will be in the Hereafter. The worst most humiliating punishment u could receive or the best most beautiful place far beyond imagination where all of ur desires will be fulfilled
(January 18, 2016 at 3:21 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: There is no invisible celestial spiritual god of any kind, especially in this solar system. There are no angels, demons, spirits, ghosts, resurrections, eternal heavens, paradises, or hells. When you die you will be forgotten by everyone, unless you did something noteworthy and then people will just know your name and deeds but they won't know you.
The only "gods", "angels", and "demons" are just ordinary people who do good and bad things depending upon their moods at any particular time. People make their own "heavens" and "hells" and sometimes other people get caught up in them through no fault of their own.
Everything that you will experience has already happened to someone else. One guy even lived through the Hiroshima and Nagasaki nuclear explosions and died from old age.
No one has to prove the existence of God. He has to prove his existence to us. He has never done that so for all practical purposes he doesn't exist except in your imagination. No one really believes in someone else's version of God. That because he doesn't exist outside of each believer's imagination. So everyone has a different version. Your version is different than those of your parents. You rely upon some ancient unknown person for everything that you think you know about your favorite deity. You believe it because you live in a peer pressure society that forces everyone to comply.
Quote:That's an interesting view. But we certainly believe that the One who created us from nothing at all can without doubt raise us back to life after having been something. Not that anything is difficult fo God but from a human standpoint It definitely seems more difficult to create something out of nothing than to resurrect a dead being after it existed. So if God can do the former why wouldn't He be able to do the latter? We believe we as humy were created for the Hereafter. This world we r n now is just temporary. We r simply passing through this life. Now how we live it in belief in God and the deeds we do determines where our final place will be in the Hereafter. The worst most humiliating punishment u could receive or the best most beautiful place far beyond imagination where all of ur desires will be fulfilled
Sub-atomic particles pop in and out of existence until they eventually create celestial hydrogen atoms. The hydrogen clumps together by its own gravity into giant balls that go nuclear, creating stars. The stars cook heavier elements and when they blow the residue forms planets. If the planets are the right kind they cook up new heavier elements and might even create basic life forms. The basic life forms also alter the planets and create even newer elements. The universe is in a steady state of creation and it's becoming more complex.
God, as you imagine such a creature, has nothing to do with it.
January 18, 2016 at 5:55 am (This post was last modified: January 18, 2016 at 5:59 am by Sheed1980.)
(January 18, 2016 at 5:03 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(January 18, 2016 at 4:13 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: [hide]
Sub-atomic particles pop in and out of existence until they eventually create celestial hydrogen atoms. The hydrogen clumps together by its own gravity into giant balls that go nuclear, creating stars. The stars cook heavier elements and when they blow the residue forms planets. If the planets are the right kind they cook up new heavier elements and might even create basic life forms. The basic life forms also alter the planets and create even newer elements. The universe is in a steady state of creation and it's becoming more complex.
God, as you imagine such a creature, has nothing to do with it.
How large do you think your pearl will be?
Allah has everything to do with it because He alone started the creation of the universe. So I agree with u where particles are created from this and that and certain things form other things with temperatures and the whole scientific concept. But when u trace it all back to the creation of the universe it starts with Allah. So yes the universe is forming things into matter itself but Allah created the universe. Just as Ur parents brought u to life and their parents brought them to life and the first human was made from the Earth and the universe brought the Earth into effect and Allah created the universe. So in the long run Allah created everything through science and time for when He determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is. As large a pearl as Allah will bless me with
(January 18, 2016 at 6:06 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: So why is Allah, the author of all physical law, so preoccupied with gay sex?
Homosexuality is forbidden in the sight of Allah. This is why He destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorah, told both in the Bible and Qur'an. Homosexuality is a sin. Just as murder, robbery, and all other sins that infest our Earth today and of times in the past. What people don't realize is God does not cause sin to happen. He gives us humans free will and we are the ones that sin. God sent us prophets and scriptures which have laws and regulations for us to model our lives after. But u get, for example, a powerful country like the USA which tells us in our Constitution that mankind is free to do as they will as long as abiding by laws. Homosexuality is an act against God and nature. It is unnatural. But because the U.S Constitution says ur free to do so, it's ok. So a man-made law in 1776 replaced the law of God since the beginning of time. So if politicians today spoke against homosexuality imagine how many votes they would lose for discrimination in a country where homosexuality is said to be okay. Bottom line. Like all other sins Allah doesn't cause them but gives us the free will to follow or disobey His command set for us in scriptures through His prophets, and He will judge us all on what we do and in the Hereafter we will be punished or forgiven and rewarded for our actions in this life
(January 18, 2016 at 6:06 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: So why is Allah, the author of all physical law, so preoccupied with gay sex?
Homosexuality is forbidden in the sight of Allah. This is why He destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorah, told both in the Bible and Qur'an. Homosexuality is a sin. Just as murder, robbery, and all other sins that infest our Earth today and of times in the past. What people don't realize is God does not cause sin to happen. He gives us humans free will and we are the ones that sin. God sent us prophets and scriptures which have laws and regulations for us to model our lives after. But u get, for example, a powerful country like the USA which tells us in our Constitution that mankind is free to do as they will as long as abiding by laws. Homosexuality is an act against God and nature. It is unnatural. But because the U.S Constitution says ur free to do so, it's ok. So a man-made law in 1776 replaced the law of God since the beginning of time. So if politicians today spoke against homosexuality imagine how many votes they would lose for discrimination in a country where homosexuality is said to be okay. Bottom line. Like all other sins Allah doesn't cause them but gives us the free will to follow or disobey His command set for us in scriptures through His prophets, and He will judge us all on what we do and in the Hereafter we will be punished or forgiven and rewarded for our actions in this life
But why does Allah care about it? What's the reason? Why did he create homosexuality if he despises it so much?
