Atheists are miserable.

[genkaus]

But your family is actually a measure of your worth. Are you not what your parents raise you to be? Perhaps, you might have a few differences in things like politics and etc, but your family has defined what you are.

Unlike yours, my family actually gave me the freedom to define myself. It would be a mistake to measure my worth or my anything by my family.

And well, you obviously hold your own family in high regards above everyone else. I sure do.

Unlike yours, my regard is earned, not given freely.

Only those, whose family ties are weak and whose parents are of less worth, produce children of even lesser worth. Those on the other hand, do not really put much value on their own family. They look for something else, another family. They even sometimes run away from their homes, or are just left to fend off for themselves.

And family members who really want each other's regard or value do not expect it free of cost.

Our family is our worth, friend. Outside of my parents, who too, are people that have defined my current worth, my largest family, the Turkic world, is what defines my worth, friend.

And that's what makes you worthless - a man who cannot define his own worth and depends on his family to do so.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Tell me which ideas I have supposedly stolen from the nazis?
Besides, our agenda is not dictated by the self-centered delusions of a single man. Our ideals are a collective of the many writings, books and deeds of known Turkish writers, statesmen, heroes and military leaders.
What will define their success is that it is a native idea. It was shaped according to us. We do not need to shape ourselves according to it.
Communism, nazism, fascism, socialism, capitalism and etc. all are foreign ideologies, none have any relevance to our society.

"Lebensraum", which you said in your previous post, is a nazi term for a nazi ideal.

What makes you think a collective delusion is any better or more true than that of one man?

It is taken from a German context, but it's applicable to everyone.
This was already created a long time ago. The Germans artificially tried to create one for themselves. We already have one, one that we have expanded hundreds of years ago.

Ours is not a delusion. Ours is both an ideal and a necessity.
We have to do this for the sake of our people's future. After all, on whom you can depend on for the future of your own kind but your own kind?
Those who depended on others have reaped the benefits. Look at the Arabs.

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Unlike yours, my family actually gave me the freedom to define myself. It would be a mistake to measure my worth or my anything by my family.

Well, I really don't know as what you define yourself. It probably is nothing really important to speak of anyways.
Therefore, it's worthless, really. If you had defined yourself according to your family history, if you have one, and tried to be worthy of it, I'd measure your worth according to that. But really, who are you but a single man?
What worth do you really possess in relevance to our world?

Unlike yours, my regard is earned, not given freely.

I give out my regards to those who are worthy of it. My family is worthy of it. I don't know if your family is of any worth to you, however.

And family members who really want each other's regard or value do not expect it free of cost.

Is your existence, something in which you cherish so much, not enough for you? What do you want? A pony?

And that's what makes you worthless - a man who cannot define his own worth and depends on his family to do so.

My worth is measured in how well I can be of service to my family.
If you are unable to understand this, I guess it brings up a few questions on whether you have a family or not, or whether you value this family.
With your overtly selfish behavior, and excessive individualism, I'm sure that you'll eventually destroy yourself.

[Tobie]

It is taken from a German context, but it's applicable to everyone.
This was already created a long time ago. The Germans artificially tried to create one for themselves. We already have one, one that we have expanded hundreds of years ago.

Ours is not a delusion. Ours is both an ideal and a necessity.
We have to do this for the sake of our people's future. After all, on whom you can depend on for the future of your own kind but your own kind?
Those who depended on others have reaped the benefits. Look at the Arabs.

So you're not deluded when you assert that turks are better than everyone else? Your delusion would end the way the Nazi's did, if you tried to act upon it, with a lot of unnecessary bloodshed but ultimately with you losing.

[Faith No More]

After all, on whom you can depend on for the future of your own kind but your own kind?

The problem is what you define as 'your own kind.' People here are trying to explain to you that we are all humans, and that we could all benefit working together as one. As long as we have people like you, however, that believe the only relevant factor is your birthplace and lineage, such notions can never be realized. We are all human, so saying you can only depend on your own kind is merely a smokescreen for your own nationalistic prejudices.

[kılıç_mehmet]

It is taken from a German context, but it's applicable to everyone.
This was already created a long time ago. The Germans artificially tried to create one for themselves. We already have one, one that we have expanded hundreds of years ago.

Ours is not a delusion. Ours is both an ideal and a necessity.
We have to do this for the sake of our people's future. After all, on whom you can depend on for the future of your own kind but your own kind?
Those who depended on others have reaped the benefits. Look at the Arabs.

So you're not deluded when you assert that turks are better than everyone else? Your delusion would end the way the Nazi's did, if you tried to act upon it, with a lot of unnecessary bloodshed but ultimately with you losing.

The Germans, were as a matter of fact, better than everyone else in Europe. It took the combined powers of the the UK, US, Canada and the Soviet union, plus resistance movements to defeat them.
Their unification brought them great benefits. However, the selfish delusions of one man, Adolf Hitler, brought them to their knees.
They could have made peace a priority. They did not. They could have bided their time. But Hitler was restless and impatient.
We are patient.
This ideal will be realized sooner or later. If you really want us to fail, better attack us now, for we will work towards this goal, with our numbers growing. If you really, really want us to fail, you should attack us now, and spill our blood, if you can.
I know that there are some in Europe who still dream of driving us out and giving Anatolia to the hands of the aryans.
Well, how about it then? Maybe it's time that we finally meet in battle, since you have already made up your mind to attack in the case we create Turan.

After all, on whom you can depend on for the future of your own kind but your own kind?

The problem is what you define as 'your own kind.' People here are trying to explain to you that we are all humans, and that we could all benefit working together as one. As long as we have people like you, however, that believe the only relevant factor is your birthplace and lineage, such notions can never be realized. We are all human, so saying you can only depend on your own kind is merely a smokescreen for your own nationalistic prejudices.

Sure, we're all of the same species. But we do not speak the same language. We do not look alike. We do not think alike. We do not have the same goals, ideals, lifestyles, interests and etc and etc.

But I've used the core family as an analogue to ones nation, race and kin.
You have to help, feed and look after your own family before taking care of the other.
How are we going to realize this "we could all benefit working together as one", whereas we lack a single language, culture, way of thinking, interests, lifestyles and etc and etc? If just belonging to the same species is such a binding factor as you'd like to believe, how come that there are different nations? A colony of ants does not work together with another colony of ants. Instead, they war with eachother.
This is the natural order of the world.
I'm not suggesting that we go to war. But I want you people to realize that humans exist as different nations. How will it come to pass that we will work together to form a common goal? How will you realize this?

Are you going to bring us by force under your pan-humanistic alliance?
Are you going to force us to work as your thralls? Are you going to strip us off of our resources under the guise of working towards a single goal as a "big human family"?
I believe that you all are insincere and devoid of any real ideas concerning the future of humanity. I believe that humanity can only advance with the advancement of the different nations around the world.

Only after that, we might think of working together as a whole, but only after that. Until then, I am going to work for the future of my own nation.
Sure, we are all human. But I guess some people are "more human", than others. They at least live like humans, while some choose to live like animals, while some are forced to live like animals.
It is mostly those who choose to live like animals, who force others to live like one.
The idea of a "single humanity" is an idea devoid of reality. At the end, those who are more fortunate than others will keep on sucking the blood of those who are less fortunate. Even with your "humanity as a whole" thing, you, who live in the western world, will be well fed, all the while using the resources of those who are not able to do it themselves, under the context of "serving humanity", while the others will work as your slaves. But if you tell me that you're going to advance every other people "locally" then I don't understand why you're opposed to the existence of different nations. It's best that nations first take care of themselves, before taking care of others. They do so even now and have done so throughout the centuries.

[WhatIfGodWasJustAMyth]

Well drones do like to point fingers.

[Tobie]

The Germans, were as a matter of fact, better than everyone else in Europe. It took the combined powers of the the UK, US, Canada and the Soviet union, plus resistance movements to defeat them.
Their unification brought them great benefits. However, the selfish delusions of one man, Adolf Hitler, brought them to their knees.
They could have made peace a priority. They did not. They could have bided their time. But Hitler was restless and impatient.
We are patient.
This ideal will be realized sooner or later. If you really want us to fail, better attack us now, for we will work towards this goal, with our numbers growing. If you really, really want us to fail, you should attack us now, and spill our blood, if you can.
I know that there are some in Europe who still dream of driving us out and giving Anatolia to the hands of the aryans.
Well, how about it then? Maybe it's time that we finally meet in battle, since you have already made up your mind to attack in the case we create Turan.

The Germans may have had a more powerful military force, but that in no way makes them inherently better as a race. You rest on the laurels of people who lived centuries ago, like Alp Arslan. Winning a few battles 1,000 years ago does not make you superior. If the superiority of a race was to be determined by past military history, it would be the French we'd be surrendering to, not the turks.

[kılıç_mehmet]

The Germans, were as a matter of fact, better than everyone else in Europe. It took the combined powers of the the UK, US, Canada and the Soviet union, plus resistance movements to defeat them.
Their unification brought them great benefits. However, the selfish delusions of one man, Adolf Hitler, brought them to their knees.
They could have made peace a priority. They did not. They could have bided their time. But Hitler was restless and impatient.
We are patient.
This ideal will be realized sooner or later. If you really want us to fail, better attack us now, for we will work towards this goal, with our numbers growing. If you really, really want us to fail, you should attack us now, and spill our blood, if you can.
I know that there are some in Europe who still dream of driving us out and giving Anatolia to the hands of the aryans.
Well, how about it then? Maybe it's time that we finally meet in battle, since you have already made up your mind to attack in the case we create Turan.

The Germans may have had a more powerful military force, but that in no way makes them inherently better as a race. You rest on the laurels of people who lived centuries ago, like Alp Arslan. Winning a few battles 1,000 years ago does not make you superior. If the superiority of a race was to be determined by past military history, it would be the French we'd be surrendering to, not the turks.

Their military force aside, Germans were also a very disciplined people. Their national pride and ethnic consciousness was unparalelled, and they had the willpower to work towards a common goal.
Obviously, they are a much better race in that regard.
True, they had once feasted upon the remains of the Romans, but they managed to transcend this, and did not adopt the Latin identity, unlike some others(French, English and Spanish), and were responsible for the creation of many dynasties, including the Rurik Dynasty in Russia.
Turks and Germans are very alike, however, they lacked the innovative and expansionist spirit of Turks, and some other peoples like the Slavs.

Our superiority does not just rest on Alp Arslan. He is just one amongst the many we can try to be worthy of in the future.
Our past military history is greater than the French, for the French are known to have fought only very few people throughout the ages.
Their only significant contribution to Europe was to save it from the Arabs . And that, by the way, was done by the "Franks" who were a Germanic tribe, from whom the French have adopted the name from.
Gauls, who call themselves by a Germanic name, who speak latin?
Obviously they do not even qualify.

[Anomalocaris]

The innovative spirit of the turk is menifest in all the wonderful new ways they've found to remain hopelessly and feudally backwards in the last 400 years. Based on military history of the last 400 years, we'd all be burning dead turks as firewood by the end of this cnetury.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Based on military history in the last 400 years, we'd all be burning dead turks as firewood by the end of this cnetury.

Let's see you do it then, Chuck. You are most certainly welcome to try, as you cannot even best a few Persian gypsies in Afghanistan.
Besides, how did it come that you failed to drive us back to where we came from, just as your prime minister Lloyd George said he would?
Even the corpse of the Ottoman empire was enough for you.

The innovative spirit of the turk is menifest in all the wonderful new ways they've found to remain hopelessly and feudally backwards in the last 400 years.

Well, the lack of unity between our peoples, and the incorporation of many unworthy peoples to our lands, has really did it's wonders.
We had spent those years focusing on quelling rebellions and fighting enemies on all fronts. Obviously, all you had to do was to riddle the bodies of some natives with bullets and take over their lands and resources.
Such heroism just blinds my eyes.