Understanding the bible

[Welsh cake]

God was sorrowful for man's condition, it saddened Him that man fell so far. God's love is so intense for man, even though He knew man would fall to great depths of sin, it still saddened Him.

Awww a-bloo-bloo-bloo.

Geez, only you could make the Biblical tribal twat of a tyrant deity look so pathetically emo G-C.

Whether good, neutral or evil, your god's a sore loser to sin in any case.

[Brian37]

God only has himself to blame then. Otherwise "all powerful" doesn't mean jack shit.

He is either inept or malicious, or he doesn't exist. I'd say that an all powerful god that can't or wont stop human suffering is a PRICK.

Now before you go accusing us of hating god, our blasphemy is merely demonstrating to you that the concept of "all loving" and "all powerful" cannot stand as concepts.

It makes much more sense to me that both the good and bad that happen in nature and in life, are the result of nature, not fictional made up super heros.

[Cinjin]

sweet Neptune, this entire thread could go in the Holy-Stupid-Shit-Batman! thread.

I don't know how, after this many years of dealing with the brainwashed, I can still be blown away by the utter ignorance and stupidity dripping from their mouths.

It's right in front of them and they absolutely refuse to see it. It's a story! It's not real! Jesus is dead, get over it!

[Godscreated]

So, Godschild, you are saying the bible is perfect as is? Despite all the contradictions, it is perfect?

Is the Old Testament perfect as well? If yes, why did Jesus say it wasn't necessary anymore?

Show me where Jesus said the OT was no longer necessary. This is your claim not mine.

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You say this:

"There is no need for Him to go back in time, what He's done is perfect and His will has been done, simple really."

After saying this:

"God can have a will to do something and then change His mind about it ..."

If the former, then why the latter? From your description of god, he is a creature with no need for free will; so why do you attribute it to him?

Try this go back and read what I stated and this time act like an adult, that is if you are, and see if you can see what I stated, if not ask a third grader.

[Brian37]

BABIES CANNOT BE BORN WITHOUT TWO SETS OF DNA AND HUMAN FLESH DOES NOT SURVIVE RIGOR MORTIS.

The earth was not created in 6 days. Adult women do not "poof" from a man's rib. Donkeys and bushes and snakes don't talk.

IT IS A BOOK OF MYTH. PERIOD!

You lose. No one needs to believe in your pet god, or any for that matter.

Your comic book hero and superstition are not required to live, or to be good.

[Minimalist]

There is no evidence that any of the bullshit in exodus ever happened. Quite the opposite; the artifacts in the ground tell us that your bible is full of shit.

It would be considered blasphemy for all cultures back then to have slaves even touch something as sacred as a tomb. The pyramids were built by Egyptian workers, not slaves.

The exodus never happened.

Both Israel Finkelstein, working from the Israeli side and Donald Redford working from the Egyptian have concluded that these tales were concocted in the 7th century BC.

They served political propaganda purposes and had precious little to do with any fucking god.

[Cinjin]

Both Israel Finkelstein, working from the Israeli side and Donald Redford working from the Egyptian have concluded that these tales were concocted in the 7th century BC.

They served political propaganda purposes and had precious little to do with any fucking god.

And yet we're the ones playing "word games." {I don't have an emoticon that shows a big enough eye-roll}

[Godscreated]

There is no need for Him to go back in time, what He's done is perfect and His will has been done, simple really.

This perfect plan you keep talking about, is that the one that was subverted at the beginning by a talking snake?

Didn't know there was a talking snake in scripture, oh, I guess you must be talking about the serpent. God knew the fall was going to happen, so yes this is part of His plan, would He prefer the fall never happened, yes, but God knew with free will in the plan that the fall would happen.

And then went so badly wrong that god regretted what he had done and decided to start again.

Man's fall was so horrible that God in His love for man was sorrowful that He created man, He knew this would also happen and that He would have to destroy most of His creation. His love for man was so great that He did keep on going with His plan. Do not think God was starting over, He knew man would fall this far, and knew He would need to destroy the world, this also was in His plan because of free will.

And had to be rejigged yet again with the supposed "sacrifice" of his son.
And to date still hasn't worked properly.

Yes this was the crowning moment of His plan, the redemption of man. It has worked, all the believers world wide is proof, oh I know it's not proof to you, but then God's plan never depended on what you consider proof. God's plan does include you, it all depends on how you use your free will as to the way you will fit into the plan.

That one?

Yes it's the one I described.

And BTW, what was gods original plan?

The one that he had in mind before the snake fucked it up.

The one scripture describes.

[Brian37]

Stop it, SNAKES DON'T TALK!

SNAKES DO NOT HAVE VOCAL CORDS LIKE HUMANS. THEY CANNOT THINK LIKE HUMANS

AND FYI the story makes it a BET between god and Satan which makes the the Adam and Eve characters INNOCENT PAWNS.

Adam and Eve are mere poker chips in a bet. You want to buy such a bullshit story, I cant stop you. But not only is it just a story, it is an immoral story that makes pawns out of innocent people who had no say or knowledge of what they were being used for. That is not consent, that is treating a human as an object.

[FallentoReason]

Didn't know there was a talking snake in scripture, oh, I guess you must be talking about the serpent. God knew the fall was going to happen, so yes this is part of His plan, would He prefer the fall never happened, yes, but God knew with free will in the plan that the fall would happen.

There's an apparent contradiction in the bolded section.

Let's say that you could see into the future. You see something within the next 5 minutes that e.g. will be lethal to your well being. In all your power, you would try and avoid it right, because you would rather not go through that. Well, by the same token if God would have instead not have us suffer, then he can't be all-powerful because he didn't prevent that from happening.

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Stop it, SNAKES DON'T TALK!

SNAKES DO NOT HAVE VOCAL CORDS LIKE HUMANS. THEY CANNOT THINK LIKE HUMANS

AND FYI the story makes it a BET between god and Satan which makes the the Adam and Eve characters INNOCENT PAWNS.

Adam and Eve are mere poker chips in a bet. You want to buy such a bullshit story, I cant stop you. But not only is it just a story, it is an immoral story that makes pawns out of innocent people who had no say or knowledge of what they were being used for. That is not consent, that is treating a human as an object.

I think you completely don't understand that if the Christian god is real, then yes, that snake did infact have a few words to say.

Just giving you some advice to better engage in discussion....