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There is no evidence that any of the bullshit in exodus ever happened. Quite the opposite; the artifacts in the ground tell us that your bible is full of shit.

(May 28, 2012 at 10:48 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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(May 28, 2012 at 7:35 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I've pretty much done what I set out to do here anyway, for now, and we're running into that area in which exploring the connotations of the mythology is interpreted as a personal attack against the individual. I see nothing productive to be gained in such an atmosphere. If I can't be expected to 'judge' the god of this mythology using the mind that it supposedly gave me, then I'm not going to be able to live up to the full potential of that gift. I've set out my thoughts on this matter and the reasoning behind them, however faulty they may appear to someone steeped in the story.

@G-C: I do accept the apology you gave, maybe I read more into your responses than you intended. Whatever your opinions of me, I can actually be a nice guy (I read a book on it once).

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I've always thought we had good discussions, and I did not think of you anything but a decent person. I really hope that we can have good discussions in the future. I did not say you couldn't say what you want to about God, it's just your choice of words you and others use that can put me off at times.

No hard feelings at this end, I assure you. As for the language thing, I can only apologise but I'm more of a take-me-as-you-find-me kind of guy. As someone who delights in painting with words I consider the richness of the English language to be my palette; I would feel constrained if certain areas were made out of bounds to me. I would point out that, apart from extraordinary situations involving extreme provocation, all my uses of such 'offensive' words are merely illustrative or emphatic, not abusive and certainly not personal. If my occasional lapsing into a more florid vernacular style does cause you to wince, perhaps you could take on board this sage piece of advice I picked up many years ago: "There's no such thing as bad language, only bad people; and they can be bad in any language."

Oh, by the way: this came up earlier and I forgot to address it at the time. You asked where I got the idea that Satan went around making fossils. I understand you didn't say that, and to be honest I'm rather relieved to see you think it ridiculous too. It's something that some theists do seem to think, at least from what they've told me in what appeared to be all seriousness. I simply threw it in as a little flourish.

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@whateverist: I am indeed honoured. Praise from Caesar is praise indeed.

(May 29, 2012 at 12:45 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(May 28, 2012 at 10:48 pm)Godschild Wrote:

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I've always thought we had good discussions, and I did not think of you anything but a decent person. I really hope that we can have good discussions in the future. I did not say you couldn't say what you want to about God, it's just your choice of words you and others use that can put me off at times.

No hard feelings at this end, I assure you. As for the language thing, I can only apologise but I'm more of a take-me-as-you-find-me kind of guy. As someone who delights in painting with words I consider the richness of the English language to be my palette; I would feel constrained if certain areas were made out of bounds to me. I would point out that, apart from extraordinary situations involving extreme provocation, all my uses of such 'offensive' words are merely illustrative or emphatic, not abusive and certainly not personal. If my occasional lapsing into a more florid vernacular style does cause you to wince, perhaps you could take on board this sage piece of advice I picked up many years ago: "There's no such thing as bad language, only bad people; and they can be bad in any language."

Oh, by the way: this came up earlier and I forgot to address it at the time. You asked where I got the idea that Satan went around making fossils. I understand you didn't say that, and to be honest I'm rather relieved to see you think it ridiculous too. It's something that some theists do seem to think, at least from what they've told me in what appeared to be all seriousness. I simply threw it in as a little flourish.

I will take the language in stride, those that would claim that Satan could even do such a thing gives him to much credit. I do take the Bible for the most part as literal, prophecy is a different thing, I do understand that some of scripture is metaphoric, such as the description of hell, at least for me it is. My doing so brings me under fire so to speak from some Christians, I do not and have not claimed my view of hell is the correct one, I try and understand who God is and sometimes my thoughts can put me at odds with everyone. That's OK with me though I do believe that Christians should use their God given mind.

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(May 29, 2012 at 12:23 am)Epimethean Wrote: "First of all this is a moment of time that has happened, so in that God can not change His mind ..."

So your god cannot go backward in time even though he is omnipresent? He sounds rather ... human.

There is no need for Him to go back in time, what He's done is perfect and His will has been done, simple really.

So, Godschild, you are saying the bible is perfect as is? Despite all the contradictions, it is perfect?

Is the Old Testament perfect as well? If yes, why did Jesus say it wasn't necessary anymore?

(May 29, 2012 at 3:28 am)Godschild Wrote: There is no need for Him to go back in time, what He's done is perfect and His will has been done, simple really.

This perfect plan you keep talking about, is that the one that was subverted at the beginning by a talking snake?

And then went so badly wrong that god regretted what he had done and decided to start again.

And had to be rejigged yet again with the supposed "sacrifice" of his son.

And to date still hasn't worked properly.

That one?

And BTW, what was gods original plan?

The one that he had in mind before the snake fucked it up.

Oh, but Zen, he has a good relationship with his snake!

Believe the plan was to laze around in the clouds watching two mostly hairless monkeys fuck like rabbits. The earth and all living things within it seem to have been an excuse for porn. I don't judge, by all accounts god was very lonely.

You say this:

"There is no need for Him to go back in time, what He's done is perfect and His will has been done, simple really."

After saying this:

"God can have a will to do something and then change His mind about it ..."

If the former, then why the latter? From your description of god, he is a creature with no need for free will; so why do you attribute it to him?

Rhythm Wrote:Believe the plan was to laze around in the clouds watching two mostly hairless monkeys fuck like rabbits. The earth and all living things within it seem to have been an excuse for porn.

Which is why he didn't stop the serpent when it appraoched Eve. He looked on with drool dripping from his chin saying excitedly, "I've seen enough beastiality to know where this is going!"

(May 29, 2012 at 12:35 am)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:First of all this is a moment of time that has happened,

There is no evidence that any of the bullshit in exodus ever happened. Quite the opposite; the artifacts in the ground tell us that your bible is full of shit.

It would be considered blasphemy for all cultures back then to have slaves even touch something as sacred as a tomb. The pyramids were built by Egyptian workers, not slaves.

The exodus never happened.