Massacre in Syria

[Brian37]

What, kilic?

It's just a joke.
It's all just a big joke, Shell. Who knows what really happened over there.

I thought Turkey was.

See, Napoleon? They are practically asking for it.

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Syria is looking really bad even in the eyes of Muslims right now. The Middle east is being fractured by technology, and all their theocracies and fascism are being exposed.

I think the Middle East will have to eventually become more like Turkey or Morocco, which isn't saying much, but still better than most places, if it wants to catch up with modern times. Neda in Iran, and the video of the Saudi woman telling the goon squad "fuck you". The east will not change over night but I think the cat is out of the bag now and they will have to change or be isolated like North Korea.

I think the middle east needs more dictators.
Democracy does not work here, although it's debatable whether it works over there in the west....

Bullshit, you'd sacrifice freedom for regional security. Nonsense. It wasn't that long ago that Christianity was as theocratic and fascist as Islam. If Christianity can escape it's Dark Ages, so can Islam.

I think you underestimate what humans can do if given the chance. If one woman is willing IN SAUDI ARABIA to stand up to their goons, then there is an underground that can take root and change things.

Democracy doesn't work right now because of the monopoly of Islam on those governments. Break that monopoly and it can and will work.

If religious monopolies could never be defeated over time, we would still be living in the Dark Ages. I have met Arabs and talked to former Muslims that do want to get with the times. I think it is up to us in the west to foster that change and encourage those who do. Things don't change over night, but they can and have.

There is a difference between "right now" and "the future". I think technology will change things long term for the better. And for any Arab and Muslim reading this, who wants secularism and pluralism, I stand with you.

[Chuff]

I'm hoping Syria don't go too crazy in the next 3 Months as this year we're holidaying in the country next door, Tunisia hock:

[Minimalist]

Tunisia is out of artillery range of Syria.

[Chuff]

Their artillery is probably a ballista, at least we've got the charming algeria on the other side

[kılıç_mehmet]

Bullshit, you'd sacrifice freedom for regional security. Nonsense. It wasn't that long ago that Christianity was as theocratic and fascist as Islam. If Christianity can escape it's Dark Ages, so can Islam.

You are ignorant, and you know not what you're saying.

I think you underestimate what humans can do if given the chance. If one woman is willing IN SAUDI ARABIA to stand up to their goons, then there is an underground that can take root and change things.

Fuck if I care if a woman stands up to the sharia in Saudi Arabia.
People are ruled by the way they deserve it.
Change things...What a big joke. The only people that can change things over there are the heads of the Saudi family.
In Syria, the NATO tries to change things. Not the people.

Democracy doesn't work right now because of the monopoly of Islam on those governments. Break that monopoly and it can and will work.

And you believe that Essad's regime is an islamic regime? Or how about the regime of Saddam?
Or say Qaddafi? They all were secular regimes.
On the other hand, theocratic regimes seem to be rather stable.

There is a difference between "right now" and "the future". I think technology will change things long term for the better. And for any Arab and Muslim reading this, who wants secularism and pluralism, I stand with you.

I want secularism, but obviously the arabs do not want secularism.
Neither does the west want the arabs to be secular nation states!
I can say I agree with them. Just as some people, like Pashto and Kurds, are only ruled by ruling the tribes(And bribing their lords), the Arabs are best ruled by the hand of religion.

[paintpooper]

Mehmet is right when he says the Syria thing is a NATO operation.

http://www.rense.com/general94/truthsy.htm

Read and educate. Do not rely on CNN BBC FOX MSNBC ALJAZZER to give you the news, they carry artificially created news that is in the best interests of them and their governments. Not the people.

Syria is secular, just like Libya was, it is a peaceful country. Someone mentioned Saudi Arabia... now that is a monarchy, and have horrible human rights issues, but they are our best friends!

Please educate and understand what is going on in the world today, the US(NATO) is not a global force for good saving all these poor countries from ruthless "dictators" it is much the opposite. We cause the death and destruction most of the time, we have been fooled for a long time, it needs to stop.

[Autumnlicious]

Golly gee willikers, we're so mean to Gaddafi! He must've been quite an upstanding fellow:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/70455208/Gadda...Since-1969

Oops.

Quite a few acts that would get the death penalty from an invading force.

Of course, I expect you to retort with "This is all false" or "It's a lie".

[kılıç_mehmet]

Golly gee willikers, we're so mean to Gaddafi! He must've been quite an upstanding fellow:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/70455208/Gadda...Since-1969

Oops.

Quite a few acts that would get the death penalty from an invading force.

Of course, I expect you to retort with "This is all false" or "It's a lie".

And? Now that he's gone, I believe that violence has stopped, yes?
Who are you to spark civil wars, and who are you to fuel them?

[Epimethean]

Who were those pesky Ottomans again?

[kılıç_mehmet]

Who were those pesky Ottomans again?

I don't know what you mean by that.