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RE: Origin of Articles
June 27, 2012 at 5:52 pm (This post was last modified: June 27, 2012 at 5:55 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 27, 2012 at 4:49 pm)apophenia Wrote: I sense a great deal of heat, but not so much light.



To be expected Apo, I'm not offering any light in my disagreement with these folks. I don't know the same things they don't know. The difference being that I'm unwilling to blow smoke up their asses as though I did.

At the end of the day, a measure of truth must be attached to the premise of an argument, or the axioms of the one arguing for it. Otherwise what you have is an excersize in craft, not some golden nugget of wisdom with regards to the nature of reality. Garbage in, garbage out.

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RE: Origin of Articles
July 3, 2012 at 5:17 pm (This post was last modified: July 3, 2012 at 5:27 pm by genkaus.)
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(June 21, 2012 at 9:40 pm)elunico13 Wrote: So is it safe to say you have changed your mind about humans creating laws of logic like you mentioned before? We are discovering them and have access to them with our minds.

Nope. All this tells me that you did not understand what I wrote.

(June 21, 2012 at 9:40 pm)elunico13 Wrote: Laws of logic were not created and had to have existed before the creation of the universe.

Not necessarily. First you have to establish that there was even a "before".

(June 21, 2012 at 9:40 pm)elunico13 Wrote: Logic is the very nature of God.

Definitely not your god - given the inherent logical contradiction is his existence.


(June 21, 2012 at 9:40 pm)elunico13 Wrote: Without logic before the universe then there would be no logical reason for the universe to exist in the first place.

This presupposes the "before" part and is therefore illogical.


(June 21, 2012 at 9:40 pm)elunico13 Wrote: Do you still believe laws of logic didn't exist before the universe? If so, why?

Wrong question. First establish that there was a "before".

(June 21, 2012 at 9:40 pm)elunico13 Wrote: (your still confusing laws of physics with laws of logic. Logic doesn't come from the behavior of matter. When we study matter then laws of physics are discovered)

Laws of physics deal with concretes. Laws of logic deal with abstractions of those concretes. Both, however, begin with study of the matter.
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RE: Origin of Articles
July 4, 2012 at 11:30 am
It's been a week since we heard from this Waldork clone. Do you suppose he's off to boast of his glorious victory in the lion's den?
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