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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 15, 2012 at 7:10 am
(June 15, 2012 at 7:08 am)Faith No More Wrote: Godschild Wrote:By the way I didn't say that I knew to blame Satan, I said atheist need to.
Really? Here is a direct quote.
Godschild Wrote:It's funny in a way and pitiful in others, atheist call christians stupid and deluded, yet we are the ones that are intelligent enough to know who to blame.
I can't tell if you're being willfully disingenuous or if you cannot convert short term memory into long term.
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 15, 2012 at 1:18 pm
I think the problem with using the free will excuse for why god allows evil, is simply because there is no biblical support of free will. Paul says that God will have mercy on who he has mercy on and hardens who he will harden, to explain why the Jews didn't believe that Jesus is Christ. Their excuse is that God FORCED people to believe what they will believe like God FORCED Pharaoh to refuse letting the Israelites go despite the destruction happening to his country. Free will is a modern Christian myth.
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 15, 2012 at 1:26 pm
The problem with free will is biblical support? LOL, no, whether or not any given ridiculous excuse for an argument has biblical support is completely fucking meaningless.
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 15, 2012 at 2:24 pm
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Stalin=obey absolute authority, no questions
Hitler=obey absolute authority, no questions
God=obey absolute authority, no questions
None can be voted out of office. All have final authority over you. None have to ask for your consent to do anything to you. All invade your privacy and punish you for the slightest dissent and will hunt you down if you try to leave or associate with people who don't tow the party line. Will treat you fine and bribe you to kiss their asses, but will murder you if you step out of line.
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 15, 2012 at 2:44 pm
(June 15, 2012 at 7:08 am)Faith No More Wrote: Godschild Wrote:By the way I didn't say that I knew to blame Satan, I said atheist need to.
Really? Here is a direct quote.
Godschild Wrote:It's funny in a way and pitiful in others, atheist call christians stupid and deluded, yet we are the ones that are intelligent enough to know who to blame.
I can't tell if you're being willfully disingenuous or if you cannot convert short term memory into long term.
Now you're trying to make me look like a liar, it's you sir who is being deceitful, shame on you for such dishonesty. The last part of that statement says, Ourselves because we fall to the deceit of the great deceiver. So were in this does the statement say we/I blame Satan, you really should learn to see what has been written, you need to quit reading your beliefs into my statements.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 15, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Why, if you care to explain, should atheists need to blame your fairies for anything GC?
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 15, 2012 at 2:48 pm
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GC, you cannot prove yourself not a liar until you stop making claims with absolute certainty about your sky wizard. You have no proof and no evidence for the existence or actions of this creature, yet you continue to talk as if you "know."
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 15, 2012 at 3:51 pm
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(June 15, 2012 at 1:26 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The problem with free will is biblical support? LOL, no, whether or not any given ridiculous excuse for an argument has biblical support is completely fucking meaningless.
*facepalm* missed my point. Good job. If a Christian wants to use excuse X, it has to be supported by their holy text. Free will is in no way supported by their holy text so it becomes a fallacy and therefore void.
Of course there is a meaning. By rooting out the fallacies within their religion they can no longer use those fallacies in their apologetics. Its easy and pointless to say its from the bible so its void, that will never force a Christian to abandon their apologetic. Its far better to show that it has no root in their religion in the first place, forcing them to abandon it.
(June 15, 2012 at 2:44 pm)Godschild Wrote: (June 15, 2012 at 7:08 am)Faith No More Wrote: Really? Here is a direct quote.
I can't tell if you're being willfully disingenuous or if you cannot convert short term memory into long term.
Now you're trying to make me look like a liar, it's you sir who is being deceitful, shame on you for such dishonesty. The last part of that statement says, Ourselves because we fall to the deceit of the great deceiver. So were in this does the statement say we/I blame Satan, you really should learn to see what has been written, you need to quit reading your beliefs into my statements.
you were caught dude, stop breaking the 9th commandment already.
You do realize that Satan being an evil force was created for Christianity? There is no Jewish tradition that casts Satan as anything other than an angel working for God. Same with hell. In Jewish texts when you die to go to the grave, not Hell, not Heaven. Its amazing how much Christianity has strayed from Judaism. But not that much since the oldest Christian writer, Paul, despised The Law and contradicted Jesus so much on its importance.
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 15, 2012 at 5:30 pm
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 15, 2012 at 10:54 pm
@ dudeamis, you should study scripture before making such unfounded remarks, Undeceived just gave you a taste of scriptural knowledge.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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