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Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 11, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
This quote indicates that the creation of evil is an ongoing process by God and that he creates evil for his pleasure. This makes sense in that God would not create something that he did not want in the world or that would displease him.
As a Gnostic Christian, I recognize that the concept of God is all myth.
Literal and historic belief did not generally come about till about the years 80. 50 years after the death of Jesus. In fact, Jesus was not declared divine till the Trinity concept was accepted, by the force of Constantine in 380.
Having said this, I recognize why the ancient thinkers would say that God is pleased when he creates evil in the world.
Do you understand how and why God gains pleasure from creating evil and sin?
If not, why do you think God would create evil and sin for his displeasure?
If God does not do or create evil as some think, then who else has the power to create evil?
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 11, 2012 at 3:10 pm
When did evil become a thing that needed to be created? (i'm asking for book Chapter and verse, not you personal philosphy)
Evil is an allowance by God. Evil is also the 'proof' of free will, and yes God takes pleasure in allowing us 'free will.'
For if righteousness is without sin, then evil is the allowance to be intently/maliciously outside the expressed will of God.
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 11, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Isaiah 45, 7
Quote:King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
I make light and create darkness. I make blessings and create disasters. I, the LORD, do all these things.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create calamity: I the LORD do all these things.
American King James Version
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
American Standard Version
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.
Douay-Rheims Bible
I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.
Darby Bible Translation
forming the light and creating darkness, making peace and creating evil: I, Jehovah, do all these things.
English Revised Version
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the LORD, that doeth all these things.
Webster's Bible Translation
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
It's your stupid fucking book. If you want to throw it under a bus that's fine with me but I'm guessing you lack that much intellectual flexibility.
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 11, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Your God Has no free will or he bond by logic.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Edward Gibbon (Offen misattributed to Lucius Annaeus Seneca or Seneca the Younger) (Thanks to apophenia for the correction)
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Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 11, 2012 at 4:02 pm
(This post was last modified: June 11, 2012 at 4:05 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
LOL< Drich, you do realize that you just requested that someone provide you with an explanation sourced from your own personal philosophy in the same breath as you ruled their own personal philosophy out...right?
Evil is the proof of free will? Well ffs I'm standing in the company of a philosophical giant, proving that pesky "free will" business once and for all by sheer power of his mighty assertions! Have you informed the others?
If, if, if, if, if, if .....god[]it!
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 11, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Theodicy attempts to answer this question.
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 11, 2012 at 4:35 pm
(This post was last modified: June 11, 2012 at 4:45 pm by Drich.)
(June 11, 2012 at 3:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Isaiah 45, 7
Quote:King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
I make light and create darkness. I make blessings and create disasters. I, the LORD, do all these things.
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create calamity: I the LORD do all these things.
American King James Version
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
American Standard Version
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.
Douay-Rheims Bible
I form the light, and create darkness, I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord that do all these things.
Darby Bible Translation
forming the light and creating darkness, making peace and creating evil: I, Jehovah, do all these things.
English Revised Version
I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the LORD, that doeth all these things.
Webster's Bible Translation
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
It's your stupid fucking book. If you want to throw it under a bus that's fine with me but I'm guessing you lack that much intellectual flexibility.
Read the whole Chapter. God is not creating evil at the end of Isaiah, Evil existed long before Adam and eve fell from grace. Your time line is off by a few thousand years. BTW the word you have honed in on is 'ra which can also translate into clamity which is consistent with Isaiah 45. For evil existed before you believe 'god created it.'
(June 11, 2012 at 3:56 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Your God Has no free will or he bond by logic. What?
(June 11, 2012 at 4:02 pm)Rhythm Wrote: LOL< Drich, you do realize that you just requested that someone provide you with an explanation sourced from your own personal philosophy in the same breath as you ruled their own personal philosophy out...right? define personal philosphy.
Quote:Evil is the proof of free will? Well ffs I'm standing in the company of a philosophical giant, proving that pesky "free will" business once and for all by sheer power of his mighty assertions! Have you informed the others?
of what?
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 11, 2012 at 5:50 pm
(This post was last modified: June 11, 2012 at 5:52 pm by Gooders1002.)
(June 11, 2012 at 4:35 pm)Drich Wrote: (June 11, 2012 at 3:56 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: Your God Has no free will or he bond by logic. What? Watch the video I posted.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Edward Gibbon (Offen misattributed to Lucius Annaeus Seneca or Seneca the Younger) (Thanks to apophenia for the correction)
'I am driven by two main philosophies:
Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 11, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Quote:I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Tell me what part of this gives you the most trouble?
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RE: Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?
June 11, 2012 at 6:22 pm
God get's pleasure from evil? Sounds kinky in a fucked up kind of way.
God must be the greatest pervert in the universe.
This is stupid
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