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Healthcare
#11
RE: Healthcare
Quote:The transfer of wealth has a stronger trend of going from whites to blacks and other racial minorities.

I think what you mean is the myth of the transfer of wealth because the reality is that rich white motherfuckers are getting richer at the expense of everyone else.
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#12
RE: Healthcare
(June 29, 2012 at 7:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:The transfer of wealth has a stronger trend of going from whites to blacks and other racial minorities.

I think what you mean is the myth of the transfer of wealth because the reality is that rich white motherfuckers are getting richer at the expense of everyone else.

I am not talking about the status quo. I am talking about what the transfer of wealth in the United States would be like with socialized health care and why the idea is more controversial here.
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#13
RE: Healthcare
There is already a transfer of wealth going on.....

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And it isn't the minorities who are benefitting.
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#14
RE: Healthcare
The Americans who are against it are either misinformed or incredibly rich. I live in misinformation alley AKA the bible belt. My facebook feed is essentially blown up with calls to arms by my idiot uncles, and wailing rants about how the American constitution is dead. I've also seen a few people announce that they're moving to Canada to escape a socialist healthcare system. LOLZ!

When my cousin (who thinks it's the best thing ever that her church got a Starbucks in it) posted a picture of Jesus holding the constitution, I couldn't resist reminding her the Roe vs. Wade is a part of the constitution now. She argued that vehemently. It was hilarious. Then she told me that if she had it her way, my children and I would never see a doctor again, exclaiming that only Americans deserve to see doctors, and that I am not American because I "hate god and want to kill babies".

The Americans who stand in opposition of The Affordable Care Act should definitely boycott healthcare. They should stand by their principles and pray that jesus cures their cancer. That would be fine with me.
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#15
RE: Healthcare
(June 30, 2012 at 3:42 am)aleialoura Wrote: The Americans who are against it are either misinformed or incredibly rich. I live in misinformation alley AKA the bible belt. My facebook feed is essentially blown up with calls to arms by my idiot uncles, and wailing rants about how the American constitution is dead. I've also seen a few people announce that they're moving to Canada to escape a socialist healthcare system. LOLZ!

When my cousin (who thinks it's the best thing ever that her church got a Starbucks in it) posted a picture of Jesus holding the constitution, I couldn't resist reminding her the Roe vs. Wade is a part of the constitution now. She argued that vehemently. It was hilarious. Then she told me that if she had it her way, my children and I would never see a doctor again, exclaiming that only Americans deserve to see doctors, and that I am not American because I "hate god and want to kill babies".

The Americans who stand in opposition of The Affordable Care Act should definitely boycott healthcare. They should stand by their principles and pray that jesus cures their cancer. That would be fine with me.

I know this is kind of personal but it sounds to me that it's not you that has hate. But it is her that hates herself and decided to overcompensate for it. Also she has no idea what being american is, I believe americans are just people who are supposed to stand up for their beleifs no matter cost or consenquences. Because being an american isn't just being part of our country, it's an idea and set of value's.
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#16
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I would hate myself too, if I was her. I don't know what it means to be an American. I think I'd be happier to be one if my fellow citizens weren't married to their insanity. I believe in reason, personally. I'll will and do stand up for that as much as possible. If that makes me "Un-American", then fuck America.
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#17
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One word - TV. Seriously, the news in America is so polarized it isn't even funny. Every time I go there I feel like I'm in a narrow alleyway, with two juggernaut trucks coming at me from each end, and there's nowhere else to go.

I posted this on my Facebook page; as it's the impression I get as a non-American, when I go there for a visit:

Quote:That George Carlin video got me to thinking. America is the land of free speech; yet, all television is censored. America is the land of the free; yet, the majority insists that theirs is the only law. America is the greatest country in the world; yet, most of the citizens act like the most uneducated fuckwits in the world - in fact, most Americans I know would be hard pressed to identify the world, on a map of the world. Is this an unfair assessment of America today?

Most Americans on the page agreed with everything but the last part.
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#18
RE: Healthcare
(June 30, 2012 at 3:42 am)aleialoura Wrote: I've also seen a few people announce that they're moving to Canada to escape a socialist healthcare system. LOLZ!

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(June 30, 2012 at 3:42 am)aleialoura Wrote: Then she told me that if she had it her way, my children and I would never see a doctor again, exclaiming that only Americans deserve to see doctors, and that I am not American because I "hate god and want to kill babies".

Your cousin needs a good, swift punch in the throat.
"How is it that a lame man does not annoy us while a lame mind does? Because a lame man recognizes that we are walking straight, while a lame mind says that it is we who are limping." - Pascal
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#19
RE: Healthcare
Quote:I don't know what it means to be an American. I think I'd be happier to be one if my fellow citizens weren't married to their insanity. I believe in reason, personally. I'll will and do stand up for that as much as possible. If that makes me "Un-American", then fuck America.

That's an interesting point to me, because I, of course, have no idea what being american means. In Germany people don't identify with their country. Patriotism is, more or less, a taboo (I guess, I don't have to explain why).
(A bit off topic, I know)

To healthcare:
What has changed (or will change) now or how was it before the reform?
I seriously can't imagine how it's like to have no health-insurance. Was it possible to refuse patients for doctors in a hospital? Did you get a bill after you've been there?
I really have no clue.
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#20
RE: Healthcare
(June 30, 2012 at 3:15 pm)Metonymie Wrote:
Quote:I don't know what it means to be an American. I think I'd be happier to be one if my fellow citizens weren't married to their insanity. I believe in reason, personally. I'll will and do stand up for that as much as possible. If that makes me "Un-American", then fuck America.

That's an interesting point to me, because I, of course, have no idea what being american means. In Germany people don't identify with their country. Patriotism is, more or less, a taboo (I guess, I don't have to explain why).
(A bit off topic, I know)

To healthcare:
What has changed (or will change) now or how was it before the reform?
I seriously can't imagine how it's like to have no health-insurance. Was it possible to refuse patients for doctors in a hospital? Did you get a bill after you've been there?
I really have no clue.

I think you've touched on what adds to the mystery for most of us (Non-Americans); the fact that we don't actually understand how it works in the U.S. I used to think that if you didn't have health insurance the hospitals flat out refused you admission - essentially leaving you to die - which I found to be a very callous and barbaric notion. I just tried looking it up on Google, and I have to say that I am no further on in understanding how it works. lol
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