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Where do you rate on Dawkins scale?
#31
RE: Where do you rate on Dawkins scale?
What do you mean what is this "he" bullshit? The question is clearly referring to the Abrahamic god, which is the only god referred to as god with a capital G. It is clearly established that that particular god is masculine. Fairy tale or not, it is their fairy tale and it is their masculine god. Your god might be female. Plenty of gods are, but that god is not. Acting all incredulous about it is like freaking out about Gandalf being referred to as he. In the damn book, he is a he. You can't change that because the book is from whence he sprang. I never understood that silliness about that particular god's gender. We don't question whether Aphrodite was a she.
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#32
RE: Where do you rate on Dawkins scale?
(July 24, 2012 at 12:48 am)cato123 Wrote: 7.0 and if the meter were analog I would have it pegged hard!

You know you make theists and agnostics alike wonder what is behind all that anti-god passion. Did he -or one of his priests- touch you in a bad way?

(July 24, 2012 at 12:15 am)Godschild Wrote:
(July 23, 2012 at 12:43 pm)Norfolk And Chance Wrote: You KNOW he exists?

ROFLOL

What! You mean you don't.

Okay, I'll bite. What's your epistemic standard? For you, what does it mean to say you know a thing is true?

From the outside, it looks like Christians use the word belief in a way unconnected to any reasons to think a thing true. It seems much more related to "wishing" something true, than to being convinced of its truth for valid/conclusive reasons.

What exactly do you mean when you say of God that you "KNOW he exists"? (I'm expecting to hear about the fervency of your commitment to your belief in God.)
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#33
RE: Where do you rate on Dawkins scale?
(July 24, 2012 at 2:07 am)whateverist Wrote:
(July 24, 2012 at 12:48 am)cato123 Wrote: 7.0 and if the meter were analog I would have it pegged hard!

You know you make theists and agnostics alike wonder what is behind all that anti-god passion. Did he -or one of his priests- touch you in a bad way?

Only once. He (priest) couldn't handle the consequence. I had to roam across three counties to find an indifferent cow that was able to milk me. I was only 13 at the time.

After this, he would notice me in the congregation. He set land speed records for the quickest homily. It all worked out, except for the cow...she was left unsatisfied.
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#34
RE: Where do you rate on Dawkins scale?
(July 24, 2012 at 2:07 am)whateverist Wrote:
(July 24, 2012 at 12:15 am)Godschild Wrote: What! You mean you don't.

Okay, I'll bite. What's your epistemic standard? For you, what does it mean to say you know a thing is true?

From the outside, it looks like Christians use the word belief in a way unconnected to any reasons to think a thing true. It seems much more related to "wishing" something true, than to being convinced of its truth for valid/conclusive reasons.

What exactly do you mean when you say of God that you "KNOW he exists"? (I'm expecting to hear about the fervency of your commitment to your belief in God.)

This is my answer, I know God exist, because you do not you think no one else should be able to, no matter how they come to believe, so it will do no good to explain to you how I know, you will deny my justification and claim you're right. I'm sorry you can not see the truth of God, if it were in my power to make you believe I would, I would not give you a choice the way God does, guess that's one reason I could never be God.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#35
RE: Where do you rate on Dawkins scale?
(July 24, 2012 at 3:07 am)Godschild Wrote:
(July 24, 2012 at 2:07 am)whateverist Wrote: What exactly do you mean when you say of God that you "KNOW he exists"? (I'm expecting to hear about the fervency of your commitment to your belief in God.)

This is my answer, I know God exist, because you do not you think no one else should be able to, no matter how they come to believe, so it will do no good to explain to you how I know, you will deny my justification and claim you're right. I'm sorry you can not see the truth of God, if it were in my power to make you believe I would, I would not give you a choice the way God does, guess that's one reason I could never be God.

Have you looked into Mormonism? It may not be too late to get your shot at being god if you can make that work.

Actually I don't know any such thing. I don't believe any gods exist but I would never say I know it. (Mostly because .. I don't.) I'm just as curious how gnostic atheists can know what they claim to know as I am how you are able know that He does exist. I suspect it comes down to differences in our standards for knowing, though I find it easier to believe you know gods exist than that any atheist could know they don't. Direct revelation is a more sensible pathway for theists than for atheists. That doesn't mean what you may know is transferable. In the absence of my own direct revelation, I'm not inclined to accept the testimony of those who claim to have experienced what I have not. You may tell your god he knows where to find me if he wants another believer. Tongue
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#36
RE: Where do you rate on Dawkins scale?
(July 24, 2012 at 1:16 am)Shell B Wrote: What do you mean what is this "he" bullshit? The question is clearly referring to the Abrahamic god, which is the only god referred to as god with a capital G. It is clearly established that that particular god is masculine. Fairy tale or not, it is their fairy tale and it is their masculine god. Your god might be female. Plenty of gods are, but that god is not. Acting all incredulous about it is like freaking out about Gandalf being referred to as he. In the damn book, he is a he. You can't change that because the book is from whence he sprang. I never understood that silliness about that particular god's gender. We don't question whether Aphrodite was a she.

You mean besides a) implying that atheism/agnosticism is relative to the Abrahamanic god(s) alone, b) that either I'm an atheist (false) or the Dawkins scale is incomplete ("Let us, then, take the idea of a spectrum of probabilities seriously, and place human judgements about the existence of God along it, between two extremes of opposite certainty"), or c) it shows an inordinate amount of stupidity in a book criticizing others for their failings.

Also, "I'd be surprised to meet many people in category 7, but I include it for symmetry with category 1, which is well populated." (i.e. If you aren't on the spectrum towards 7 then you are on the spectrum towards 1, and vice-versa — a clear error. If he'd used different labels than "atheist" or "agnostic" one might equivocate, but he didn't.


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#37
RE: Where do you rate on Dawkins scale?
None of that is relevant. The god of the bible, which is implied by the op, is masculine.
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#38
RE: Where do you rate on Dawkins scale?
(July 24, 2012 at 3:07 am)Godschild Wrote: This is my answer, I know God exist

But deep deep down you really don't believe that.
*nudge nudge* Wink
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#39
RE: Where do you rate on Dawkins scale?
(July 24, 2012 at 9:14 am)Shell B Wrote: None of that is relevant. The god of the bible, which is implied by the op, is masculine.


What Richard Dawkins himself wrote about his own "Dawkins scale" is not relevant to a thread asking where you rate "on [the] Dawkins scale" ?

That's so fucking stupid it defies description.


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#40
RE: Where do you rate on Dawkins scale?
I'm a 6D or 4T (letters at the end refer to which scale).
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