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RE: Jesus and Paganism
July 29, 2012 at 11:25 pm
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(July 29, 2012 at 11:03 pm)Rhythm Wrote: So, instead of raising the dead, he gave some guy the Heimlich? Exaggeration is one thing...lol, boldfaced bullshit is another. Go ahead and stretch it a little, but don't break it......
I just noticed I said "As in Jesus existing as a person and the miraculous claims of miracles and his Resurrection are exaggerated." Whoops. That was a really awful choice of words.
Obviously I don't think he performed miracles or rose from the dead. I think the basis for the Gospels comes from a Jewish preacher starting a small Jewish sect. Eventually sayings, miracles, and divine claims are tacked on and he vaguely became the inspiration for the Jesus of the Gospels.
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RE: Jesus and Paganism
July 29, 2012 at 11:31 pm
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Then maybe you're talking about a guy named Jeremy or Bob, but certainly not any Jesus.
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RE: Jesus and Paganism
July 29, 2012 at 11:44 pm
(July 29, 2012 at 11:31 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Then maybe you're talking about a guy named Jeremy or Bob, but certainly not any Jesus.
May I ask what your beliefs on Jesus are? Could you give me any links about the Christ myth and credible, non-fanatical scholars who believe in the Christ-myth theory?
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RE: Jesus and Paganism
July 29, 2012 at 11:59 pm
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Sure, for the purposes of my "beliefs" on Jesus and the Christ-Myth I'm as much a scholar as you'll require. I don't believe in the jesus character as anything more than a myth, because to be this character you would have to perform mythical acts a-plenty (and honestly, you have to look pretty hard to find anything at all about this character that isn't squarely mythical -there are no "Jesus takes a shit and gets dingleberries on his robe" narratives -are there). Whether or not we're discussing a jewish preacher that had stories spun about him when we discuss a "historical jesus" is, to me, entirely ridiculous, the character becomes the historical bob.
As Min pointed out through Mencken and others have also pointed out over time on these boards and elsewhere, what jesus is there beyond miracles? I think DP, Min, and I believe we had another that was seriously interested in the christ-myth theory would have better links for you than I could dredge up.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Jesus and Paganism
July 30, 2012 at 12:15 am
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RE: Jesus and Paganism
July 30, 2012 at 12:20 am
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Well, there's a back-story on the midnight ride......to make a long one short, it's political manouvering centuries after the "fact". Not the narrative mind you, thats just fantasy, but the place itself is the scene of some serious multi-generation finagling. Amusingly, the best part of the story isn't the story itself, but what creative individuals did with the story.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Jesus and Paganism
July 30, 2012 at 12:28 am
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RE: Jesus and Paganism
July 30, 2012 at 12:29 am
Quote:Pegasus was an old tale when Hesiod began discussing it in the 8th century BC. The Greeks brought their culture throughout West Asia when Alexander took his little field trip.
Indeed,and it was bullshit then too. 
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RE: Jesus and Paganism
July 30, 2012 at 12:38 am
(July 30, 2012 at 12:29 am)padraic Wrote: Quote:Pegasus was an old tale when Hesiod began discussing it in the 8th century BC. The Greeks brought their culture throughout West Asia when Alexander took his little field trip.
Indeed,and it was bullshit then too.
That goes without saying..... I mean, bad enough when birds shit on you. Can you imagine a flying horse?
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RE: Jesus and Paganism
July 30, 2012 at 1:05 am
Quote: Can you imagine a flying horse?
Not really,but---
Quote:The elephant is an amazing bird;
It flits from bough to bough.
It makes its nest in rhubarb trees,
and whistles like a cow.
(anon;nonsense nursery poem)
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