Can you help but do evil? I do not see how. Do you?

[Greatest I am]

[Drich]

If you wish to look at Evil as a simple expression of Free will/Choice. Then also remove the reward punishment of heaven and hell. Because at that point Heaven ceases to be a reward, and Hell ceases to be a punishment. Your eternal destination also becomes a matter of choice. In that those who 'choose' to be with God for eternity Choose Heaven, and the only path God has provided to get there. Subsequently Hell also becomes a choice, and those who go there choose to be eternally seperated from God, and the rest of creation.

Know this, God will not drag anyone of you who choose eternal seperation, kicking and screaming into eternal life. if you have spent the sum total of this life putting distance between yourself and Him with your philosphies, science and/or 'faiths.' So, If you choose eternal seperation from God know with full comfort and assureance that He will not only honor your life's decesion, He will hold you to it.. Just like if you were to Choose eternal life.

So to recap: Heaven can not be a reward, because no one there deserves to be there. It's like eternal seperation from God.. It is only by your own chosing that you will reside there.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Can you help but do evil?

I have never committed an evil act,nor will I. This may have something to do with the fact that I get to define the word 'evil'. I recognise no absolute moral imperatives and no moral authority apart from my conscience.

A self-serving position? Of course,so what? Such a position is admittedly selfish,but it is in no way evil in itself. (according to my definitions, which are subject to change without notice)

[Greatest I am]

If you wish to look at Evil as a simple expression of Free will/Choice. Then also remove the reward punishment of heaven and hell. Because at that point Heaven ceases to be a reward, and Hell ceases to be a punishment. Your eternal destination also becomes a matter of choice. In that those who 'choose' to be with God for eternity Choose Heaven, and the only path God has provided to get there. Subsequently Hell also becomes a choice, and those who go there choose to be eternally seperated from God, and the rest of creation.

Know this, God will not drag anyone of you who choose eternal seperation, kicking and screaming into eternal life. if you have spent the sum total of this life putting distance between yourself and Him with your philosphies, science and/or 'faiths.' So, If you choose eternal seperation from God know with full comfort and assureance that He will not only honor your life's decesion, He will hold you to it.. Just like if you were to Choose eternal life.

So to recap: Heaven can not be a reward, because no one there deserves to be there. It's like eternal seperation from God.. It is only by your own chosing that you will reside there.

You could have spoken to the issue of the O P.
Preaching in a debate forum shows your poor manners.

Regards
DL

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Can you help but do evil?

I have never committed an evil act,nor will I. This may have something to do with the fact that I get to define the word 'evil'. I recognise no absolute moral imperatives and no moral authority apart from my conscience.

A self-serving position? Of course,so what? Such a position is admittedly selfish,but it is in no way evil in itself. (according to my definitions, which are subject to change without notice)

Handy.

Regards
DL

[Drich]

You could have spoken to the issue of the O P.
Preaching in a debate forum shows your poor manners.

Regards
DL

How did I fail to address the op?

[The Grand Nudger]

Meh, howsabout this Drich, I don't feel like going to hell, particularly if my wife (for example) goes to heaven. So, can I choose to be in heaven and just have god leave me the fuck alone while I'm there enjoying eternity with my wife?

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Handy.

Regards
DL

Yes and no;that depends on one's conscience. Mine can be downright annoying.

You seem to imply my position is simply a matter of convenience. Perhaps you would like to supply a short list of absolute,universal moral imperatives, and the source of moral authority for such laws. Pleas keep in mind that I am an atheist.

Cheers

GPD

[Reforged]

I sometimes get a kick from doing evil because of my past experiences that have slowly moulded me into the sadistic individual I am today.
For example;
Drich? There is no God, there is no heaven, when you die you'll be gone and you should probably just come out of the closet right now. Don't worry, we'll help you. We'll just get you drunk, dress you in crotchless leather chaps and a police cap, push you into a homosexual orgi and for the next 60 minutes you'd be the lucky dip of some three-hundred erect and eager penises that will plunge into the sore depths of your anus more times than a Vatican rent boy would care to mention. After the times up we'll fish you out, retrieve the security footage, sell it to redtube and get you in a hospital to have stitches sewn in a very tender place while you murmur "...best night ever..."

Now, that was vicious and pointless. Did I enjoy it though? Very much so. I especially love the fact I got the mental image of his body being ravaged repeatedly by an act he considers to be an abomination firmly in his head. He'll probably feel religious guilt for having that mental image and spend the next thirty minutes attempting to get it out of that noggin of his. Maybe it'll even interfere with his dreams.

Of course, this isn't really on par with real evil. If anything its simply unpleasant but I nevertheless enjoy it.

[catfish]

I sometimes get a kick from doing evil because of my past experiences that have slowly moulded me into the sadistic individual I am today.
For example;
Drich? There is no God, there is no heaven, when you die you'll be gone and you should probably just come out of the closet right now. Don't worry, we'll help you. We'll just get you drunk, dress you in crotchless leather chaps and a police cap, push you into a homosexual orgi and for the next 60 minutes you'd be the lucky dip of some three-hundred erect and eager penises that will plunge into the sore depths of your anus more times than a Vatican rent boy would care to mention. After the times up we'll fish you out, retrieve the security footage, sell it to redtube and get you in a hospital to have stitches sewn in a very tender place while you murmur "...best night ever..."

Now, that was vicious and pointless. Did I enjoy it though? Very much so. I especially love the fact I got the mental image of his body being ravaged repeatedly by an act he considers to be an abomination firmly in his head. He'll probably feel religious guilt for having that mental image and spend the next thirty minutes attempting to get it out of that noggin of his. Maybe it'll even interfere with his dreams.

Of course, this isn't really on par with real evil. If anything its simply unpleasant but I nevertheless enjoy it.

This explains alot. I hope you find forgiveness for those who wronged you... For your own sake, not theirs...

[Drich]

Meh, howsabout this Drich, I don't feel like going to hell, particularly if my wife (for example) goes to heaven. So, can I choose to be in heaven and just have god leave me the fuck alone while I'm there enjoying eternity with my wife?

we will see for ultimatly that is between you and God. I would however suggest that you 'choose' before your desision is finalized upon your death.

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I sometimes get a kick from doing evil because of my past experiences that have slowly moulded me into the sadistic individual I am today.
For example;
Drich? There is no God, there is no heaven, when you die you'll be gone and you should probably just come out of the closet right now. Don't worry, we'll help you. We'll just get you drunk, dress you in crotchless leather chaps and a police cap, push you into a homosexual orgi and for the next 60 minutes you'd be the lucky dip of some three-hundred erect and eager penises that will plunge into the sore depths of your anus more times than a Vatican rent boy would care to mention. After the times up we'll fish you out, retrieve the security footage, sell it to redtube and get you in a hospital to have stitches sewn in a very tender place while you murmur "...best night ever..."

Now, that was vicious and pointless. Did I enjoy it though? Very much so. I especially love the fact I got the mental image of his body being ravaged repeatedly by an act he considers to be an abomination firmly in his head. He'll probably feel religious guilt for having that mental image and spend the next thirty minutes attempting to get it out of that noggin of his. Maybe it'll even interfere with his dreams.

Of course, this isn't really on par with real evil. If anything its simply unpleasant but I nevertheless enjoy it.

Expressing your personal sexual fantsies is not evil, nor is wishing your personal desires on another. It seems in loosing yourself in your sexual fantasy you've also lost the defination of Evil as well. Evil indicates a malice or an intentional deliberate act of sin usally resulting in the serious harm to another. As you seem to have only projected your willing partisipation in multiple sexual acts on to someone else (me) you are only guilty of sexual sin..

Know, that at anytime your sexual fantsies ever turn to Evil (where you start activly preying on unwilling partners, this is not the unpardonable sin. yes you will owe your soceity a debt, but you will have forgiveness from your God if you seek it. This is true with any 'Evil' you are able to regin down on your fellow man.