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a question for atheists
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Maybe we should try turning it off then back on again quickly?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
RE: a question for atheists
August 5, 2012 at 4:17 pm
(This post was last modified: August 5, 2012 at 4:21 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 5, 2012 at 4:07 pm)laurent Wrote: you can imagine other consciousness living on planet which look like hell Yeah, sure, I can imagine that, but I don't have to, there are lifeforms here that exist in environments which are very much like "hell". I'm not sure what my imagination would have to do with luck though....? Honestly, I've probably seen places that people exist in (not some strange lifeform at the bottom of an ocean or what have you) that would very accurately fit descriptions of "hell". Quote:if we are entirely of flesh we obey entirely to the laws of nature so our freedom is just us being fooled because we dont see what influence us Well, we are composed "entirely of flesh" no matter what way you cut it. Whether or not something is "fooling us" doesn't change that. I think what you're trying to express here is the fear or suspicion of hard determinism. On that count I can't help you (and as far as I'm aware no one can). Quote:actually you cant prove that other people are conscious, you can only know that you are conscious Sure, we could invoke solipsism if you like, but that isn't troubling for me, it;s troubling for anyone, yourself included. To be fair, it isn't nearly as troubling for me as it might be for what you seem to be suggesting. I merely modify my statement to "in this illusion". Can you do the same? Quote:fooled by ourself about our freedom Freedom from what? The "laws of nature" (as per the above)..? If someone imagined that they were somehow over or above them then sure, they're being fooled, but only by themselves. Definitely doesn't mean that we're all being fooled. I'm certainly not fooling myself on that count, are you?
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OK I'll give it a reboot.
Make sure you do it with steel toecaps.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 laurent Wrote:well you are right I guess I don't understand what you're getting at. Forgive me for asking, but is English not your first language?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
 Quote:You assume we are fooled.Guys if we have no souls we are all fooled to be free and fooled to exist thats a fact. who are you? your body? your brain? your consciousness? a list of all the events that happened to your body? Quote:You assume there must be a point.there should be a point for being conscious from an evolutionary point of view 
Firstly, thank you ever so much for taking the time to introduce yourself!
 Secondly, I don't know if this thread even belongs in this part of the forum. Thirdly, I'm not quite sure what you're even getting at here. Are you trying to make an argument for the existence of god based on the notion of human consciousness? I can't tell if you're being poetic or lost in translation. 
You really believe in a man who has helped to save the world twice, with the power to change his physical appearance? An alien who travels though time and space--in a police box?!?
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(August 5, 2012 at 4:24 pm)laurent Wrote: who are you? your body? your brain? your consciousness? a list of all the events that happened to your body? Pretty much, yes. Why does there need to be anything more? (August 5, 2012 at 4:24 pm)laurent Wrote: there should be a point for being conscious from an evolutionary point of view You just listed the answers to this all by yourself. However, consider what would be the consequences of not being conscious. How could you possibly know?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
Someone's trying to make religion the answer to existential angst. Never seen that one before. /sarcasm
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Why is it that so many monotheists come across as uneducated, unread boors?
Oh. Right.
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