Atonement...

[Minimalist]

So, you wish for Isaiah to have access to modern medicine?

Electroshock would have helped the s-o-b.

[catfish]

So, you wish for Isaiah to have access to modern medicine?

Electroshock would have helped the s-o-b.

I am under the impression that everyone except the prophets would have benefitted from electroshock, or at least a nail up the nose.

The prophets were the ones who were constantly condemning the Israelites for their hypocrisy, lies, oppression of foreingners, slave taking, idol worshiping, unjust judging etc...

[ChrisN]

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Yes and no. A sacrifice was needed for the atonement of sins, but it can only be atoned by faith, hence the fact that Jesus commended the scribe that faith in God was better than just burnt sacrifice.

"Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required (Psalm 40:6)."

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him (Hebrews 11:6)."

Jeremiah 7:21-23
King James Version (KJV)
21 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.
22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

Also, the Bible instructs the reader to not worship God the way the "heathens" did. "Heathens", sacrificed animals as well as humans to their gods, so I take it, and the verse(s) above (there are numerous others similar to the ones you provided), as further evidence that sacrifices were never intended. Also, as I pointed out in my other thread, blood sacrifice was only for "unintentional" sins.

It's not new to me that the Jewish people practice animal sacrifices, but I do appreciate your list of verses about them. To reply to your concerns, we have to dwell into the Judaism-Christian Theology and don't know if you're up to that, but just take it from me that God had a very good reason why he set up a system of sacrifice for the atonement of sins. I'll give you a hint, it has to do with Jesus.

As for what the heathens do: doth not the heathens believe in all powerful god(s)? Doth not the heathens pray to them, ask for their forgiveness, acknowledge their trespasses against their god(s)? Just because our system of beliefs are similar doesn't prove that Judaism borrowed ideas from other religion. I could flip it around and say that Greek mythology borrowed ideas from the Bible. Or I could say that many ancient cultures understood the depth of their spirituality and share the same ideas, like how society share certain moral practices.

And what do you mean by blood sacrifice was for unintentional sins? If this is something I should know as a Christian, please provide scripture to prove your point.

[Reforged]

It's not new to me that the Jewish people practice animal sacrifices, but I do appreciate your list of verses about them. To reply to your concerns, we have to dwell into the Judaism-Christian Theology and don't know if you're up to that, but just take it from me that God had a very good reason why he set up a system of sacrifice for the atonement of sins. I'll give you a hint, it has to do with Jesus.

As for what the heathens do: doth not the heathens believe in all powerful god(s)? Doth not the heathens pray to them, ask for their forgiveness, acknowledge their trespasses against their god(s)? Just because our system of beliefs are similar doesn't prove that Judaism borrowed ideas from other religion. I could flip it around and say that Greek mythology borrowed ideas from the Bible. Or I could say that many ancient cultures understood the depth of their spirituality and share the same ideas, like how society share certain moral practices.

And what do you mean by blood sacrifice was for unintentional sins? If this is something I should know as a Christian, please provide scripture to prove your point.

Ok, one alt account was funny but now this is getting ridiculous.
No-one, I repeat no-one could say this line with a straight face; "I'll give you a hint, it has to do with Jesus."
Its just too gaudy not to be a practical joke.
Own up, whos is it?

[ChrisN]

It's not new to me that the Jewish people practice animal sacrifices, but I do appreciate your list of verses about them. To reply to your concerns, we have to dwell into the Judaism-Christian Theology and don't know if you're up to that, but just take it from me that God had a very good reason why he set up a system of sacrifice for the atonement of sins. I'll give you a hint, it has to do with Jesus.

As for what the heathens do: doth not the heathens believe in all powerful god(s)? Doth not the heathens pray to them, ask for their forgiveness, acknowledge their trespasses against their god(s)? Just because our system of beliefs are similar doesn't prove that Judaism borrowed ideas from other religion. I could flip it around and say that Greek mythology borrowed ideas from the Bible. Or I could say that many ancient cultures understood the depth of their spirituality and share the same ideas, like how society share certain moral practices.

And what do you mean by blood sacrifice was for unintentional sins? If this is something I should know as a Christian, please provide scripture to prove your point.

Ok, one alt account was funny but now this is getting ridiculous.
Own up, whos is it?

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I'm just a person who would like to get into discussions. But I am new to any forms of forums so I might make a mistake when I post things, so please forgive me for my noobness.

[Reforged]

Ok, one alt account was funny but now this is getting ridiculous.
Own up, whos is it?

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I'm just a person who would like to get into discussions. But I am new to any forms of forums so I might make a mistake when I post things, so please forgive me for my noobness.

Oh shit, you're serious?
Sorry, the line "I'll give you a hint, it has to do with Jesus." just seemed too meme worthy to be for real. I thought you were one of these guys posing as a theist for a laugh.
Ok, well... in your opinion what was Gods reason for a system of sacrifice and on what do you base this assertion?

[catfish]

And what do you mean by blood sacrifice was for unintentional sins? If this is something I should know as a Christian, please provide scripture to prove your point.

Numbers 15:27-31
New International Version (NIV)

27 “‘But if just one person sins unintentionally, that person must bring a year-old female goat for a sin offering. 28 The priest is to make atonement before the Lord for the one who erred by sinning unintentionally, and when atonement has been made, that person will be forgiven. 29 One and the same law applies to everyone who sins unintentionally, whether a native-born Israelite or a foreigner residing among you.
30 “‘But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or foreigner, blasphemes the Lord and must be cut off from the people of Israel. 31 Because they have despised the Lord’s word and broken his commands, they must surely be cut off; their guilt remains on them. ’”

[Reforged]

I'm sorry but I just had to make this:

[catfish]

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I'm just a person who would like to get into discussions. But I am new to any forms of forums so I might make a mistake when I post things, so please forgive me for my noobness.

Oh shit, you're serious?
Sorry, the line "I'll give you a hint, it has to do with Jesus." just seemed too meme worthy to be for real. I thought you were one of these guys posing as a theist for a laugh.
Ok, well... in your opinion what was Gods reason for a system of sacrifice and on what do you base this assertion?

I'm 99.9% sure it's a sockpuppet account of "yahweh is the way" (which I suspect is also a moderator...)

Can't believe I fell for "it"....

[Reforged]

Oh shit, you're serious?
Sorry, the line "I'll give you a hint, it has to do with Jesus." just seemed too meme worthy to be for real. I thought you were one of these guys posing as a theist for a laugh.
Ok, well... in your opinion what was Gods reason for a system of sacrifice and on what do you base this assertion?

I'm 99.9% sure it's a sockpuppet account of "yahweh is the way" (which I suspect is also a moderator...)

Can't believe I fell for "it"....

I don't know man, hes usually more obvious than this. I think this guy might be legit. I mean I'll be honest, I was fairly certain you were a sock account. If you need reasons why then look back at your quotes embracing cherrypicking. Alot of them are like "Is this guy for real?".
Do you realize cherrypicking is listed as a logical fallacy? I mean I doubt it'd make much of a difference if you did but I'm just saying.