Judaism and Origins of Christianity

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

What do the Dead Sea Scrolls say about Jesus?

Nothing. The Dead Sea Scrolls predate Jesus and do not mention him. A few scholars once argued that the “Teacher of Righteousness” mentioned in the texts referred to Jesus, but as more of the scrolls have been published, this theory has been completely discredited.

True enough,but the Nag Hammadi texts do, especially "The Gospel Of Thomas". Of course ,most Christian churches reject its authenticity. As far as I'm aware,not one Christian Church has yet included "The Gospel Of Thomas" in the canon..

The Gospel According to Thomas, commonly shortened to the Gospel of Thomas, is a well preserved early Christian, non-canonical sayings-gospel. It was discovered near Nag Hammadi, Egypt, in December 1945, in one of a group of books known as the Nag Hammadi library. The Gospel of Thomas was found among a collection of fifty-two writings that included, in addition to an excerpt from Plato's Republic, gospels claiming to have been written by Jesus' disciple Philip. Scholars have speculated that the works were buried in response to a letter from Bishop Athanasius who for the first time declared a strict canon of Christian scripture.[citation needed][1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Thomas

The Dead Sea scrolls have been dated to between 318 to 404CE.

The Gospel Of Thomas to 340 CE

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Jeff:

Nothing I quoted implies anything about the existence of Jesus.

The Old Testament prophecies make it crystal clear that Jesus did not come within a country mile of fulfilling prophecy. Contradictions of the evidence come from the appalling intellectual dishonesty of Christian apologists and the deceitful sophistry of biblical exegesis. IE; "the bible means what it says,except when it doesn't"'

Yet wankers like you wonder why I won't even try to debate Christian apologists. It's like trying to have a conversation with a stubborn and rather slow 10 year old child.

I have nothing further to try to say to you on this matter.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Did Christianity really have its roots in Judaism? Or was the pagan origin of Christianity and Jesus in particular carefully intertwined with the Israelite traditions to somehow depict a successor belief system? I have already read a few materials describing the pagan origin of Jesus but looking for an alternative view on this issue.

I do not know any books about this. I could present my own views, but I guess that's not what you're looking for.

[Jeffonthenet]

Did anyone who criticized me actually read what I said? I never said the dead sea scrolls mentioned Jesus and I don't see any other critique that really dealt with my response substantively.

[Minimalist]

Apo mentioned the DSS and you chimed in with the "teacher of righteousness" a now discredited idea.

[Jeffonthenet]

Apo mentioned the DSS and you chimed in with the "teacher of righteousness" a now discredited idea.

Do you deny that the scrolls talk about a teacher of righteousness? All I said is that it is possible it is John the Baptist or Jesus as more of a side comment because I thought it was interesting. It had really little to nothing with my response.

[Minimalist]

The teacher of righteousness is a discredited theory essentially based on air. Call me suspicious when a self-styled jesus freak tries to sneak such nonsense into the discussion.

This whole "Essene" shit has taken a number of serious hits in the last 10 years.

[Jeffonthenet]

The teacher of righteousness is a discredited theory essentially based on air. Call me suspicious when a self-styled jesus freak tries to sneak such nonsense into the discussion.

This whole "Essene" shit has taken a number of serious hits in the last 10 years.

As I said, I just thought it was interesting. And I don't know what you mean by "the whole essence shit."

[Minimalist]

"Essene" not "essence."

[Jeffonthenet]

"Essene" not "essence."

I know, it auto-corrected me.

[Minimalist]

I hate it when that happens.