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RE: Why is the sin nature inherited?
September 11, 2012 at 10:45 pm
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(September 11, 2012 at 10:38 pm)System of Solace Wrote: I feel your only argument is to say that God's plans failed on purpose. If God was omnipotent, he would have known in advance the betrayal of Adam and Eve and he also would not have had to look for them in Eden after they ate it and found they were naked.
Of course, the best explanation is that "God" in that story was just another limited deity left over from a more primitive polytheistic Hebrew culture.
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RE: Why is the sin nature inherited?
September 11, 2012 at 10:56 pm
All this talk of "The Fall" being part of god's plan is nothing but doublethink, a way of eating your cake and having it at the same time. A&E were 'created' sinless, then made to sin by having the temptation placed within arms reach right in the middle of the garden. Being human they inevitably give into said temptation, as this god already knew they would, and god jumps out at them going "Ha ha, gotcha!" and kicking them out of the garden; all of which this god knew would happen yet punished them for it anyway? It's absurd, even for a fairytale.
This god supposedly created the scenario and the characters withing it preset to fall, then supposedly hovers around in the background waiting for their descendants to seek it out and beg forgiveness for being made as humans with all the frailties and foibles of human nature which have been planned out in every detail from the beginning anyway. If this character was to own a casino, all the tables would be rigged to be unwinnable.
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RE: Why is the sin nature inherited?
September 12, 2012 at 12:48 am
Once Adam and Eve sinned, they became imperfect as you said, so imperfect offspring were inevitable. Sin effected every corner of the creation, it put everything in a state of corruption. Adam and Eve were told by God to populate the world before the fall, hope this answers your questions.
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RE: Why is the sin nature inherited?
September 12, 2012 at 12:52 am
(September 12, 2012 at 12:48 am)Godschild Wrote: Once Adam and Eve sinned, they became imperfect as you said, so imperfect offspring were inevitable. Sin effected every corner of the creation, it put everything in a state of corruption. Adam and Eve were told by God to populate the world before the fall, hope this answers your questions.
Those were my premises...you didn't answer anything.
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RE: Why is the sin nature inherited?
September 12, 2012 at 1:07 am
(September 12, 2012 at 12:52 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: (September 12, 2012 at 12:48 am)Godschild Wrote: Once Adam and Eve sinned, they became imperfect as you said, so imperfect offspring were inevitable. Sin effected every corner of the creation, it put everything in a state of corruption. Adam and Eve were told by God to populate the world before the fall, hope this answers your questions.
Those were my premises...you didn't answer anything.
If you already had the answers then why ask. 
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RE: Why is the sin nature inherited?
September 12, 2012 at 1:09 am
He didn't say he already had the answers. He said you merely reiterated his premises.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Why is the sin nature inherited?
September 12, 2012 at 1:17 am
Quote:Once Adam and Eve sinned, they became imperfect as you said,
So, let's get this straight. BEFORE they sinned they were "perfect" and after they ate the apple they became imperfect?
Frankly, that sounds so ass-backwards that only a theist could come up with it.
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RE: Why is the sin nature inherited?
September 12, 2012 at 1:19 am
And only a theist could believe it. That or a particularly backward child.
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RE: Why is the sin nature inherited?
September 12, 2012 at 1:24 am
(September 12, 2012 at 1:09 am)Stimbo Wrote: He didn't say he already had the answers. He said you merely reiterated his premises.
Actually it seems I gave answers.
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RE: Why is the sin nature inherited?
September 12, 2012 at 1:29 am
(September 12, 2012 at 1:24 am)Godschild Wrote: (September 12, 2012 at 1:09 am)Stimbo Wrote: He didn't say he already had the answers. He said you merely reiterated his premises.
Actually it seems I gave answers.
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