The abortion paradox

[Cyberman]

Thanks, that saves me from having to add that one to the "Chiches you want to bitch slap" thread.

Actually, the diagram is misleading. It doesn't necessarily take 100% caring in order to be able to care less; any value greater than 0% would qualify.

[Red Celt]

Thanks, that saves me from having to add that one to the "Chiches you want to bitch slap" thread.

Actually, the diagram is misleading. It doesn't necessarily take 100% caring in order to be able to care less; any value greater than 0% would qualify.

Well, yes, but I was trying to make a point. Saying "I could care less" means that you do care... whether you care 1% or 100%, the point is... you care. It is the opposite of what you're trying to say.

This is an American meme... and it irritates the bejesus out of me.

[Cyberman]

Please don't 'misunderestimate' me - I'm 100% in agreement with you.

[Ryantology]

I couldn't agree more!

[Polaris]

What is a paradox is the right-wing Christians who say they are Pro-Life yet also support the death penalty and engaging in foreign wars.

The other side are those on the Left who say they are against the death penalty and war (basically stating they favor life), yet have no qualms about preventing a life before it has begun....I like how South Park defined it...it's cheating a baby out of life.

I think people on both extremes are full of shit.

[LastPoet]

There are always dumbasses ready to cry the sanctity of life, discarding any responsability about it. A life is indeed a precious thing, but to be made under cohersion, its no different from slavery. Its easy for these first world moralists to spew shit out of their asses, just for the sake of thwir appeal to emotion, but to gather a rational argument, I'm still waiting. How easy is to someone brought on a social project to vindicate their expertize in an hostile environment?

[Ryantology]

The other side are those on the Left who say they are against the death penalty and war (basically stating they favor life), yet have no qualms about preventing a life before it has begun....I like how South Park defined it...it's cheating a baby out of life.

So, then, is birth control, and condoms, and pulling out, and blowjobs, and menstruation, and masturbation, and...

If the right really cared about the sanctity of life, we'd have nationalized health care, so all those babies could be cared for after being born. But, as we all know, you are only sacred human life until you leave the womb. Then you can just go fuck yourself.

[ThomM]

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I do not perceive abortion as a matter of free personal choice - I am actually against it because it is just cruel to the little human being.


THe problem with that is that it is NOT - for virtually the whole time - an actual human being.

A human being is NOT a single or even hundred cell creature. And a Human Being is viable outside of the womb - which for long periods of time -the fetus is not.

THe claim that right wing christians are "pro life" is also far from true. In fact -they are in favor of the death of the mother in EVERY instance - which is NOT being pro life at all.

[TaraJo]

Why do the Christians place a ban on abortion while they simultanously encourage all the paths leading to unwanted pregnancy? I mean:

- lack of protection (both catholics and orthodox ban condoms and from what I have obserced the sheep really adhere to this)
- lack of masturbation (and hence poor awareness of one's own body and response control)
- repressive culture (and hence abnormal behaviour like sudden outbursts of suppressed feelings including murder or rape or both)

I do not perceive abortion as a matter of free personal choice - I am actually against it because it is just cruel to the little human being. BUT: I think we should not ban abortion before we ban all the stupidity leading to unwanted pregnancies. Condoms should always be used not only to protect oneself from pregnancy but also hepatitis, herpes etc. Masturbation should be regarded healthy and normal. And there should be less hatred and hypocrisy towards sex and sensuality in general. If that was the case, the amount of unwanted pregnancies would just plummet towards zero and there would be no need or will to abort. What do you think?

I never really understood this myself. When I found the answer out, it scared me. It still does scare me because the consequences can be disastrous to the world, fundamentalist and atheist alike.

My boyfriend is from a fundamentalist Mormon family. He is one of six children in his family and he told me the truth: his church believes over population is a myth and that good Christian families should have as many children as possible. The more fundamentalist people are, the more likely they are to adhere to those standards. They don't believe in pregnancy prevention because they want followers to have children, whether the child is wanted or not.