When Faith and Science Clash

[Jackalope]

[Mystic]

It's not conclusive, but i would say in the case of winning lottery again, and again, and again, and again, it points to something else then simply chance, although chance remains possible, it's not the most logical one to believe in.

[Haydn2]

It's not conclusive, but i would say in the case of winning lottery again, and again, and again, and again, it points to something else then simply chance, although chance remains possible, it's not the most logical one to believe in.

It is if you understand it.

Do you mean the chances of life occuring? Well it did happen , so we know its definately possible.

Multiply that chance by the number of planets where it could occur (and that maybe alot larger then the chance of life in occuring itself) and thats only assuming life as we know it.

So in all 'probability' (aargh i hate the chance arguement!) it's probaly happened elsewhere , many times before and.... again....and again , again etc.

[Reforged]

Faith and science clashing? I imagine that would be similar to the clash between hedgehog and car.
*looks at previous pages* Yep.

[Jackalope]

[Mystic]

It's not conclusive, but i would say in the case of winning lottery again, and again, and again, and again, it points to something else then simply chance, although chance remains possible, it's not the most logical one to believe in.

Is that so?

Twice is something else. But if someone won 12 times in a row, would you think it's chance or something going on?

Ofcourse it's logical possible for a person to win the lottery twelve times in a row...but I would say we should suspect something else is going on (like lottery being rigged or something) if someone wins 12 times in a row.

[Jackalope]

Twice is something else. But if someone won 12 times in a row, would you think it's chance or something going on?

I'd certainly reserve judgment on the matter pending evidence and not assume that highly improbable == goddidit.

If evidince could be found that indicated that the game was not fair (i.e. is rigged), then of course it would be reasonable to conclude that it was.

Going back to Reasonable_Jeff's post, all I see is assertions of improbability and assertions of a divine hand in tuning - and none of that "evidence" stuff.

[Mystic]

When Physicists say the universe is fined tuned, they don't mean God did it.

[Haydn2]

When Physicists say the universe is fined tuned, they don't mean God did it.

We don't even know any other 'tuning' is possible.

[Jackalope]

When Physicists say the universe is fined tuned, they don't mean God did it.

Ones who are arguing for intelligent design do.