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Algae-Powered Building
#11
RE: Algae-Powered Building
NdGT always says we need to stop looking at science and technology like it's run on a quarterly spreadsheet.
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#12
RE: Algae-Powered Building
In that the two terms are roughly synonymous that much should be obvious to people eh Festive? "Short term sustainability" is an oxymoron.
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#13
RE: Algae-Powered Building
(October 29, 2012 at 10:06 am)festive1 Wrote: I gotta give Germany a lot of credit. I don't doubt that energy prices will rise in the short term, but in the long run, it'll be worth it. It's not a 4 year game that we Americans seem to think it is, it's a long term sustainability that we should be aiming for.

Oh no one here douts that it will take more 10 years, the administration clearly said, that it will take a long time and the opposition (except for the loonies) accepted that. And I guess the general population is aware of that and is aware that prices will rise.
The questions rising here are more questions of honesty and efficiancy.
We are currently undergoing a lot of bottlenecks - since not that energy is there to be destributed.
Companies have used this by on purpose switching of machines to demand compensation from the goverment.
And it currently seems like the goverment is in over it`s head and that the major energy companies are not pulling with them.
Everyone here is aware that the change is coming and everyone wants it to happen, and everyone accepts that it will take a long time and might have a high cost.
But we still want it to be handeled efficiantly and reject what currently seems to be half chaos half order in the minestry of energy and minestry of inviorment.
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#14
RE: Algae-Powered Building
Everybody wants something done, nobody's happy with how it's being done. Business as usual. Refurbing our energy industries will be costly and inefficient at least in the short term (and perhaps for quite a long time). That might have something to do with how well developed our current energy industries are.
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I think I was unclear. Our American energy policy hinges on politicians wanting to be reelected. It's not based on a longview. That's why we're still pushing coal, even though we know that particular resource will run out in about 50 years. We aren't making the necessary investments in our energy future. We are simply saying "Drill baby, drill" or mine as the case may be.

(October 29, 2012 at 10:25 am)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: Oh no one here douts that it will take more 10 years, the administration clearly said, that it will take a long time and the opposition (except for the loonies) accepted that. And I guess the general population is aware of that and is aware that prices will rise.
The questions rising here are more questions of honesty and efficiancy.
We are currently undergoing a lot of bottlenecks - since not that energy is there to be destributed.
Companies have used this by on purpose switching of machines to demand compensation from the goverment.
And it currently seems like the goverment is in over it`s head and that the major energy companies are not pulling with them.
Everyone here is aware that the change is coming and everyone wants it to happen, and everyone accepts that it will take a long time and might have a high cost.
But we still want it to be handeled efficiantly and reject what currently seems to be half chaos half order in the minestry of energy and minestry of inviorment.

I'm just saying that here, we aren't even having the discussion about how to effectively and efficiently move towards sustainable forms of energy. At least Germans are having a grown up conversation about the problem at hand, instead of strip mining and fraking to get every last ounce of fossil fuel from the Earth.
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#16
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Nobody mines anymore, cmon, they just remove mountains..hehehehe.
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#17
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(October 29, 2012 at 10:32 am)Rhythm Wrote: Nobody mines anymore, cmon, they just remove mountains..hehehehe.

Exactly, and that's a very serious problem.
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#18
RE: Algae-Powered Building
Especially if you happen to be a mountain.
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#19
RE: Algae-Powered Building
(October 29, 2012 at 10:27 am)festive1 Wrote: I think I was unclear. Our American energy policy hinges on politicians wanting to be reelected. It's not based on a longview. That's why we're still pushing coal, even though we know that particular resource will run out in about 50 years. We aren't making the necessary investments in our energy future. We are simply saying "Drill baby, drill" or mine as the case may be.

Well our politicians want to be reelected aswell, but here all paries agree that climat change is real, that dependency on Saudi oil is rubish, drilling in the baltic sea might have horrible enviormental sideefects and the general german population accepts that climat change is real.
I feel a bit sorry for you, but as soon as the americans will see how well of europe will be without oil they will try the same.
And germany is by far not the most progressive on that sector, just look at Denmark, by 2020 an estemated 80 percent of their energy will be green energy.

(October 29, 2012 at 10:26 am)Rhythm Wrote: Everybody wants something done, nobody's happy with how it's being done. Business as usual. Refurbing our energy industries will be costly and inefficient at least in the short term (and perhaps for quite a long time). That might have something to do with how well developed our current energy industries are.

I know what you mean, but this kind of mentality doesn`t realy exist here. Everyone accepts that policies need years to have an effect and projects started by one goverment are mostly continued by many administrations afterwards.
What does matter, is how efficiant the job is done, and currently it is not done well.
Big energy companies, small energy companies, the conservative party in the coalition goverment controling the minestry of energy and the liberterian party in the coalition goverment controling the minestry of inviorment are currently arguing over who has to take the lead in this current process. - thereby nothing is going forward, or things are going forward slowly - it actualy seems like individuals are more interested in having their name in the history books for being the leading figure in this project rather than thinking of the good for this country
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#20
RE: Algae-Powered Building
(October 29, 2012 at 9:27 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: Isn't it exciting?

<sigh> My dad would have gotten out a mop and Lysol and cleaned those walls.
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