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RE: Your creativity and skills are being murderd
November 8, 2012 at 9:17 pm
well i got kicked out of highschool for drunkeness.
but since i was on highschool which specialised on natural sciences i have a bit larger understanding of such as some others.
arts? i was interested in these at a privat level and did aquire a amount of knowlege.
I really dont know much about the subject of pedagogics, I would have to aquire more knowlege about it to find out if it`s wiser to let kids and teens work by themselves creatively or to teach them basic social sciences and natural sciences instead.
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RE: Your creativity and skills are being murderd
November 8, 2012 at 9:21 pm
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She also needs to know math and economics. /justsayin'
Dance school is something you do in your free time, or you what until you're old enough to honestly commit yourself to a profession. Suggesting that someone only stick to the things they are good at during their school days isn't a good idea. The world is a complicated place and dance school won't equip you with the skills necessary to deal with it.
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That's exactly what I mean. The "system" will not let them develop these skills because they are not important enough to make money of.
Who says she HAS to? If she's good at it and likes doing it, hell yes, go for it. But if not, focus on what she is good at.
(November 8, 2012 at 9:17 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: well i got kicked out of highschool for drunkeness.
but since i was on highschool which specialised on natural sciences i have a bit larger understanding of such as some others.
arts? i was interested in these at a privat level and did aquire a amount of knowlege.
I really dont know much about the subject of pedagogics, I would have to aquire more knowlege about it to find out if it`s wiser to let kids and teens work by themselves creatively or to teach them basic social sciences and natural sciences instead.
You don't need to understand pedagogics to see that focussing on what you're good and LOVE to do is better then what your terrible at do you?
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RE: Your creativity and skills are being murderd
November 8, 2012 at 9:25 pm
/facepalm
You need a base set of skills before you specialize in anything. I can't completely ignore math, the real world is too steeped in it. I can't ignore reading, I'll be illiterate. I don't want stupid, uneducated children because they were good at only dance. They will get math, literary, science, and other core themes so that they will have a wide variety of skills that they can drew and and improve their skills in what they do like. Imagine how a dancer could improve their skill with the knowledge of science and physics?
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RE: Your creativity and skills are being murderd
November 8, 2012 at 9:35 pm
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(November 8, 2012 at 9:25 pm)Annik Wrote: /facepalm
You need a base set of skills before you specialize in anything. I can't completely ignore math, the real world is too steeped in it. I can't ignore reading, I'll be illiterate. I don't want stupid, uneducated children because they were good at only dance. They will get math, literary, science, and other core themes so that they will have a wide variety of skills that they can drew and and improve their skills in what they do like. Imagine how a dancer could improve their skill with the knowledge of science and physics?
/facepalm /wrists
You're only focussing on my exaple of dance, wich is creative, wich is a form of intelligence. Creativty is an intelligence. I know it's not possible in the world right now, because it;s not fit foir it. But if we would steer more to a world were everyone would do what thei're good at, we would be far more advanced. Ofcourse people have to get introduced to different sets of subjects. But who says it has to be these? These are given to us because this is what you need to function in our system. To get a "job" you probably don't like. to make money etc. etc.
(November 8, 2012 at 9:25 pm)Annik Wrote: Imagine how a dancer could improve their skill with the knowledge of science and physics?
And if a dancer would improve on danceing by science and physics then ofcourse they would be tought this. But not because YOU think it's better. They might find their own way to it. Probably an even better way. When they do, don't you think scientist and physicists won't be interested? A thing like this could work both ways.
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RE: Your creativity and skills are being murderd
November 8, 2012 at 9:43 pm
There is a concept I learned from a mentor of mine a few years ago. This article explains it better than I could. Apply the same thing to education by imagining how much easier it would be (and how much simpler the solutions would be) to have people who have a varied background working to solve a problem. If each of them have only focused on one field without going indepth with any others, they would all be at a disadvantage. Not only does having a varied educational background give you a common "language" in order to communicate and understand different concepts, but it opens your eyes to new, more creative ways to solve problems in everyday life and in the feild you're interested in.
Another example: I hated working in InDesign. It was confusing and complicated and I didn't understand it after first. However, it is the most efficient tool for creating print layout and booklets. I could do page by page in Illustrator or Photoshop, but it would decrease the quality of work and take me a lot longer. It was better for me to bite the bullet and learn InDesign and I'm a much better, varied designer for having done so.
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RE: Your creativity and skills are being murderd
November 8, 2012 at 9:44 pm
What about someone like me? I scored well in all subjects, particularly math, but I'm not really drawn to anything as a profession. I certainly have fallen behind my peers who studied mathematics to their fullest. I play piano proficiently, but not well enough to make a living from it. I have a degree in history and I am a good writer. But I have no "calling" for anything that I can identify. I'm a jack-of-all-trades, but not outstanding in anything. How should such students be treated? Maybe I'm just asking because I'm looking for career options at this point 
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RE: Your creativity and skills are being murderd
November 8, 2012 at 9:45 pm
(November 8, 2012 at 9:44 pm)festive1 Wrote: What about someone like me? I scored well in all subjects, particularly math, but I'm not really drawn to anything as a profession. I certainly have fallen behind my peers who studied mathematics to their fullest. I play piano proficiently, but not well enough to make a living from it. I have a degree in history and I am a good writer. But I have no "calling" for anything that I can identify. I'm a jack-of-all-trades, but not outstanding in anything. How should such students be treated? Maybe I'm just asking because I'm looking for career options at this point
I made a hobby into a career, so I'd examine your interests and see how you could make money from it.
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RE: Your creativity and skills are being murderd
November 8, 2012 at 9:51 pm
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(November 8, 2012 at 9:43 pm)Annik Wrote: There is a concept I learned from a mentor of mine a few years ago. This article explains it better than I could. Apply the same thing to education by imagining how much easier it would be (and how much simpler the solutions would be) to have people who have a varied background working to solve a problem. If each of them have only focused on one field without going indepth with any others, they would all be at a disadvantage. Not only does having a varied educational background give you a common "language" in order to communicate and understand different concepts, but it opens your eyes to new, more creative ways to solve problems in everyday life and in the feild you're interested in.
Another example: I hated working in InDesign. It was confusing and complicated and I didn't understand it after first. However, it is the most efficient tool for creating print layout and booklets. I could do page by page in Illustrator or Photoshop, but it would decrease the quality of work and take me a lot longer. It was better for me to bite the bullet and learn InDesign and I'm a much better, varied designer for having done so.
Dear mother of fuck you're impossible. Who said anything about focussing on ONE thing. I'm talking about THINGS. Read my other examples. One thing/subject will lead to another, and then another and then some. Eventually I believe you will know enough to function perfectly in a sociaty. So you won't know just one thing.
(November 8, 2012 at 9:45 pm)Annik Wrote: I made a hobby into a career, so I'd examine your interests and see how you could make money from it.
contradictory
(November 8, 2012 at 9:44 pm)festive1 Wrote: What about someone like me? I scored well in all subjects, particularly math, but I'm not really drawn to anything as a profession. I certainly have fallen behind my peers who studied mathematics to their fullest. I play piano proficiently, but not well enough to make a living from it. I have a degree in history and I am a good writer. But I have no "calling" for anything that I can identify. I'm a jack-of-all-trades, but not outstanding in anything. How should such students be treated? Maybe I'm just asking because I'm looking for career options at this point
You're a perfect example. Because I was good at sociology doesn't mean I want to be a socialworker. There is always more. People don't just like ONE thing or the thing their good at. But if you had the chace to explore these fields more in a different schooling system you probably would have found a way to combine these subject that your good at (and some love to do) and wopuld have optimized these by now. But our curent schooling systems are teaching in the wrong way.
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RE: Your creativity and skills are being murderd
November 8, 2012 at 10:00 pm
(November 8, 2012 at 9:13 pm)Fryslân Wrote: Well at a younger age I was more fascinated by the nature around me (biology) and building stuff from wood and metal (crafts).
You like biology and you can weld....somebody get this one on a farm!
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RE: Your creativity and skills are being murderd
November 8, 2012 at 10:02 pm
(November 8, 2012 at 9:51 pm)Fryslân Wrote: (November 8, 2012 at 9:43 pm)Annik Wrote: There is a concept I learned from a mentor of mine a few years ago. This article explains it better than I could. Apply the same thing to education by imagining how much easier it would be (and how much simpler the solutions would be) to have people who have a varied background working to solve a problem. If each of them have only focused on one field without going indepth with any others, they would all be at a disadvantage. Not only does having a varied educational background give you a common "language" in order to communicate and understand different concepts, but it opens your eyes to new, more creative ways to solve problems in everyday life and in the feild you're interested in.
Another example: I hated working in InDesign. It was confusing and complicated and I didn't understand it after first. However, it is the most efficient tool for creating print layout and booklets. I could do page by page in Illustrator or Photoshop, but it would decrease the quality of work and take me a lot longer. It was better for me to bite the bullet and learn InDesign and I'm a much better, varied designer for having done so.
Dear mother of fuck you're impossible. Who said anything about focussing on ONE thing. I'm talking about THINGS. Read my other examples. One thing/subject will lead to another, and then another and then some. Eventually I believe you will know enough to function perfectly in a sociaty. So you won't know just one thing. You might be interested in many things, but you'll have holes in your education. I used one thing to simplify the argument. Just to clarify, what age did you get this grade report?
Quote: (November 8, 2012 at 9:45 pm)Annik Wrote: I made a hobby into a career, so I'd examine your interests and see how you could make money from it.
contradictory How so?
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