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How is Yahweh not immoral?
RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
If a scapegoat was needed, a person who isn't a scapegoater says "Oh well, there's a need that won't be met". Let's do UD a favor here and just assume that his faith and his convictions are aligned with each other, eh?
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
I don't know about that. Tell a person their eternal soul is in jeopardy and they seem to be able to accept anything. Fear can make people do things that are not normally of their nature.
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
Oh, you mean, if I were to terrify the living shit out of someone to such a point that they become incapable of thinking they might do the unthinkable?

Do christians, in their day to day lives...appear to be in this situation to you? Seem pretty calm to me (until they start babbling about the fucking blood..anyway).
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
Well, that brings up an entirely different topic, which is do people actually subconsciously believe what they claim to at the conscious level. A Christian may not act as if they are fearful of their eternal soul's destination, because subconsciously they know it's bullshit.

All I'm saying is that I don't think it is so black and white that a person that accepts a scapegoat is automatically a scapegoater at heart. There are other motivating factors at play.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
Hehehe, well, I suppose I just take them at their word unless they give me reason to think otherwise.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
I wouldn't give their minds that much credit. For the most part, Christians are just dumb animals; you have to be to think that the bible is anything more than fanciful stories written by ambitious men who knew how to manipulate the dolts. For christs sake, they named them sheep even back then. If that's not an inside joke, I don't know what is!
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
(November 28, 2012 at 8:46 am)cato123 Wrote:
(November 28, 2012 at 4:56 am)catfish Wrote: Obviously I don't think so or else I wouldn't have written what I did...

What you think has no effect on what is written in the Bible regarding the sacrifice of Jesus for the remission of sin. You can ignore the idea, but it is plainly written in the Bible (Hebrews 10:10-12 is an example).

I am content ridiculing and chastising Christians for the patently immoral idea of vicarious atonement via human sacrifice; however, if you have some scriptural based argument that will turn 1800+ years of Christian theology on its head, I am all ears.

Simply saying you don't think so isn't a sufficient argument.

And what you think has no effect on what is written in the Bible about human sacrifice being evil and condemnable. It also has no effect regarding the words that are attributed to God where it's stated that there was never a command to Moses concerning sacrifices. What you think also seems to disregard the passage that states that each person will die for their own sins and that each person will be judged according to their deeds and hearts.

But anyways, your proselytizing is quite amusing. You know, an atheist trying to jam his version of Christianity down a Christian's throat. I was asked if the Bible was "pretty clear" about Yeshua's death... I answered... Deal with it...
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
Quote:it'd be easier to swallow if God was portrayed as a fuck-up who is trying to improve

God is portrayed as a fuck up whose followers don't think he needs to improve.
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
(November 28, 2012 at 9:38 pm)catfish Wrote: And what you think has no effect on what is written in the Bible about human sacrifice being evil and condemnable. It also has no effect regarding the words that are attributed to God where it's stated that there was never a command to Moses concerning sacrifices. What you think also seems to disregard the passage that states that each person will die for their own sins and that each person will be judged according to their deeds and hearts.

I made no claims to the contrary. The Jesus fish must be a red herring.

(November 28, 2012 at 9:38 pm)catfish Wrote: But anyways, your proselytizing is quite amusing. You know, an atheist trying to jam his version of Christianity down a Christian's throat. I was asked if the Bible was "pretty clear" about Yeshua's death... I answered... Deal with it...

You were asked if the Bible was 'pretty clear' about Jesus dying for our sins. Your answer was
Quote: Obviously I don't think so or else I wouldn't have written what I did...
(ellipses yours).

I dealt with your answer by referencing three consecutive verses that lay waste your moronic assertion. Furthermore, how exactly does my reference to a passage in your stupid book constitute proselytizing or invoke an idea that I have a unique version of Christianity?
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RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
Would any theists like to defend these obviously immoral passages?
Kill those who are not virgins on their wedding night:

Kill homosexuals:

Kill anyone who doesn't seek god:

Kill anyone who tries to convert you:

Raze any town that is of another religion:


That may be a lot to chew on/reply to for one post, so I'll stop there for now.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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