The War On Men

[A Theist]

It's amazing how easily the more liberal members of this board quickly dismiss a war on men as absurd and at the same time jump on the idea that it is equally absurd that a war on women is not going on.

Equally absurd is the frequently bandied about notion that 'republicans' are doing so and so evil thing, or said so and so ridiculous thing, when normally it was just one guy. Get a grip people.

Also anyone who thinks that the U.S. is a chauvinist country has probably never traveled anywhere else in the western hemisphere (except maybe Canada.) Also remember that some people thinking abortion is bad is not the same as abortion actually being illegal. Stop acting like it. The US had total access to abortion everywhere. Does this fact bounce off your liberal skulls? Or are you all just upset that not every person in the country has the same opinion as you?

Excellent points Cap...The leftwing quickly dismisses anything that doesn't fit within their leftist narrative...watch how fast and vicious these self proclaimed leftist champions of free speech will attack any opinion they disagree with...they don't want a discussion or a debate about issues, the Left wants to shut down the opposing voices and view points to the issues they embrace...

[thesummerqueen]

Hahahahahaha.

Because conservatively run news networks don't slam off interviews that don't go their way and don't report on news that doesn't fit their agenda.

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the share of women ages eighteen to thirty-four that say having a successful marriage is one of the most important things in their lives

Is that "I have to get married" or "If I get married, it will be important to me to make it successful"?

Believe it or not, modern women want to get married. Trouble is, men don’t.

Anecdote: more men I know are marriage minded than women I know. They also want to have kids, and earlier, than the women I know.

subculture of men

Oh, so not the majority then, eh? That's what I would expect - a subculture (read, a minority) of assholes who find that women who work instead of staying pregnant in the kitchen probably does threaten their sense of manliness.

That’s because they’ve been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise)

Some feminists are angry. Not all women. We discuss their bullshittery on the A+ thread. The "pedestal" they're describing was the "Madonna" principle in which men viewed women either as angels or whores - not as fucking human beings.

Now the men have nowhere to go.

Where the fuck CAN'T they go?

The fact is, women need men’s linear career goals – they need men to pick up the slack at the office – in order to live the balanced life they seek.

Wouldn't be necessary if more men liked staying home OR if offices accommodated for certain things...OR it's bullshit, as there are plenty of women who take a month off, maybe less (sometimes none) and go right back to work.

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I think we need to declare "war" on people who write bullshit op-ed pieces for the purpose of gaining page-views.

[festive1]

Excellent points Cap...The leftwing quickly dismisses anything that doesn't fit within their leftist narrative...watch how fast and vicious these self proclaimed leftist champions of free speech will attack any opinion they disagree with...they don't want a discussion or a debate about issues, the Left wants to shut down the opposing voices and view points to the issues they embrace...

How is pointing to facts that in some states there is a de facto ban on abortion in effect, by restricting abortion facilities and providers, not discussing the issues or shutting down opposing voices. A discourse, dialogue, or discussion isn't possible if both sides can't agree on reality. Statistics can be misleading, however I can present other sources that convey the same information, which gives credence to their accuracy.
I think this "War on Women" is silly, but you can't deny that there are those, overwhelmingly republican, who want to restrict women's choices of what to do with their own bodies. Is it a "war"? No, but it's not exactly tolerant, egalitarian, or ideal either.

[Annik]

Srsly?


No one is denying that men need some help (particularly in the areas of rape awareness/rape accusation and child support/custody), but there is no "War on Men". Women still need some help as well (in regard to crazies trying to remove our right to choose and other issues). Both of these face different types of gender discrimination. However, that "article" in OP is ridiculous. You can't just point fingers at a whole gender and claim "It's their fault. They've been raised to hate men" or "Men don't want to get married" (especially since the stats listed in the article talks about the priority of people and marriage, not the desire to get married at all). The link in OP is full of horrible, sexist attitudes like:

It’s the women who lose. Not only are they saddled with the consequences of sex, by dismissing male nature they’re forever seeking a balanced life. The fact is, women need men’s linear career goals – they need men to pick up the slack at the office – in order to live the balanced life they seek.

It's fucking nasty. He also implies that the feminist movement never needed to happen (because women had their own pedestal and there was no need for revolution) and since it did, women are not women anymore. What the fuck? I'm not a woman because I fuck freely and want to be an equal? It marginalizes the capability of women and the emotional sensitively and expression in men at the same time. That trash linked in OP is garbage. I'm not a liberal. I'm not "left-wing" or "leftist". I'm not a "your kind" or a "you people". I'm intelligent to understand that this is a grey area and simple phrases like "War on -Insert Gender-" often don't grasp the complexity of the sociological factors that go into these things. I suggest you open your eyes to the possibility that there is no war, but a nation struggling to enact social change as fast the we feel. There are some in this nation that are not comfortable with this change and, like humans, do everything they can to keep what they consider to be the status quo.

[thesummerqueen]

It demeans men as well. "OMG, if women are EQUALS then we're so pussy we can't handle it!"

Fucking man up.

[Faith No More]

Not only that, summer, but the article went as far as to say that if men can't handle it, it's women's fault for not behaving in the way men want them to.

[DoktorZ]

Excellent points Cap...The leftwing quickly dismisses anything that doesn't fit within their leftist narrative...watch how fast and vicious these self proclaimed leftist champions of free speech will attack any opinion they disagree with...they don't want a discussion or a debate about issues, the Left wants to shut down the opposing voices and view points to the issues they embrace...

Consistently opposing a problematic political viewpoint is not contradictory to supporting free speech.

If the right is being "shut down," why are you still posting here?

Again, I think that victim-narrative demagoguery is counter-productive.

Z

[Cato]

Again, I think that victim-narrative demagoguery is counter-productive.

Which is exactly why I'm filing 'war on men' next to 'christian persecution' in the Faux Indignation file.

[Something completely different]

Excellent points Cap...The leftwing quickly dismisses anything that doesn't fit within their leftist narrative...watch how fast and vicious these self proclaimed leftist champions of free speech will attack any opinion they disagree with...they don't want a discussion or a debate about issues, the Left wants to shut down the opposing voices and view points to the issues they embrace...

I can point out to you why I dismiss this text to which you posted a link of.

And yes I actualy read it.

It is a rant filled with factual errors and filled with a complete rejection of a womans individual rights. The hybris being that it calles for women to reject the achievments of the past 30 years and stateing that the emanzipation of the past years was the result of the sexual revolution of the 1960s.

It seems to be a common excuse, not for conservatives, but for hopelessly backwards neurotic individuals who dream of a repressive 1950s sociaty to blame everything on the "sexual revolution".
Be it the excuse for childrape by the catholic church. Or the "desintegration" of moral values - as preached by radical preachers within the western world.

A individual who has eaven the slightest bit of knowlege on the history of political and activist movements - will be well aware of the fact that womens rights movements certainly did not start or eaven achieve their goals through the sexual revolutions.

Historicaly it would be hard to deterime the point on which a serious womens rights movement started.
Did it start when the women who demanded equal rights for all citizens including their sex, after the French revolution where brought to the guilotene by Robbes Pierre?
Or did it start when the suffragetes demanded their right to vote in protests all across the main cities of western europe and the americas during the late 19th and early 20th century?

I dont know.

But what I do know for certain is - that it didn`t start nor gained completion during the sexual revolution of the 1960s.
What that achieved was for all of sociaty was the destruction of social norms imposed on the subject of sex.
What it gained for women (and men) was the de-demonisation of birth control.

Some might eaven argue that to some extent the sexual revolution furthered the exploitation of women.

But the core issue of the womans rights issue never was sex. It was equality. Equality in every single segment of sociaty. Which hasn`t been achieved jet in alot of countries throughout the globe.

And to build up some nonsence theorie, that the sexual revolution somehow injected a general hostility towards men within every single emanzpated womans set of thinking - is a horrible generalisation:

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It gives the horrible backwards morrons for whom there is no more dispicabel thing as the sexual revolution another idiotic punchline to scream arround with.

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It is a attempt to deminish the movements credibility by stateing that it is centered not arround that movements struggle for it`s rights - but arround a struggle based on the hatered of others.

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Women are individuals. Individual participants in the pluralistic sociatal complex. They are not a monolithic block following a certain mindset!
This idea of all women being a zombie army following WAR set by the standerds of "the hatred of the sexual revolution" to which they were indoctrinated in - is funny, but to some extent a eaven scary acusation. Women are individuals! And as such not to obay the sociatial norms and conduct of "how to be a good woman" demanded by anyone! neighter conservative nore feminist or other. They choose for themselves!


This piece reads like nothing else but a pamphlet given out by a person making money by telling people things they want to hear over and over again.

Now. Coincedently I read a opinion article by Spiegel journalist Ralph Neukirch last week, in which he argues that institutionalised messures to create gender equality within sociaty have produced a system which has many disadvantiges for men.
It is not a text told to people so they can feel comfortabel with their own world view by having it constantly approved.
It is more or less writen to cause debate arround the issue of the in Germany mandetory womens quota within buisnesses.

If you are interested in a opinion text which doesn`t claim to be the absolute truth, but has been designed for debate, I will translate it into english and post it here.

[Dee Dee Ramone]

Excellent points Cap...The leftwing quickly dismisses anything that doesn't fit within their leftist narrative...watch how fast and vicious these self proclaimed leftist champions of free speech will attack any opinion they disagree with...they don't want a discussion or a debate about issues, the Left wants to shut down the opposing voices and view points to the issues they embrace...

Generalizing the political left is typical right-wing behaviour.