Open letter to my two corporate-whore Senators

[Jaysyn]

I also believe our government has the responsibility to preserve the stability of our culture...which includes defending traditional marriage between a man and a woman.

You wouldn't know what culture was if it ran up & bit you. As for your ignorance regarding same sex marriages, consider this:

In North America, among the Native Americans societies, same-sex unions have taken the form of Two-Spirit-type relationships, in which some male members of the tribe, from an early age, heed a calling to take on female gender with all its responsibilities. "In many tribes, individuals who entered into same-sex relationships were considered holy and treated with utmost respect and acceptance," according to anthropologist Brian Gilley.

There is your fucking "American culture". Predates your bullshit holy book as well.

[Faith No More]

The abolition of slavery, women's suffrage and civil rights issues were corrections to the culture...to be a part of it...unlike the neo-leftists today who are trying to overthrow our culture and replace it entirely.

They're all civil rights issues, and they're all corrections. You just happen to fear certain changes, so you must label the fight for those civil rights as an attempt to "overthrow our culture."

Your outdated views are falling by the wayside just as the views of those that fought the abolition of slavery, denied women the right to vote, and advocated the segregation of the races.

[Violet]

I happen to believe that chart to be very misleading. Alaska has a very strong case for leaving the union, between oil, fishing, mining, and lumber... and because there are so few of them, the state even has a somewhat vocal 'independence' party (lol... http://www.akip.org/ ).

It's certainly big enough to be a nation And it's return is higher than that of many countries. Can you imagine if it achieved nationhood? Immigration would go WILD.

[TaraJo]

Have you heard some of the speaches that were made in opposition of interracial marriage or slavery? Other than replacing the words 'same sex marriage' with 'interacial marriage,' they sound almost identical!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgfjJ0yOcZQ

On that note this epic video from few months back seems very relevant (your video isnt working and appears to be almost 6 mins long, so it cant be this one unless your video is made up of two clips, this one after the first)

Yeah, that's the one I was looking for, I just didn't remember where it was on Youtube; I would have spent longer looking for it if not for the fact that this cold is kicking my ass and staying upright, in frong of my computer takes more effort than I can currently put out.

Anyway, the video I put up was a black man, I think he's a pastor, and he was describing his fight to marry his wife. Problem is, his wife isn't the same race as him and they were planning to move to a better economy. Problem was, when they were trying to decide where to move, there were a lot of places they couldn't move to simply because their marriage wouldn't be valid; this included the south, states like Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and Texas. It's also worth noting that those are also the states that are the strongest in their anti-gay marriage stance today. They use the same language, the same argument, the same worries about culture and defense of traditional marriage.

I think that if conservatives actually paid attention to history (instead of their falsified version of history) they wouldn't be conservatives anymore.

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I happen to believe that chart to be very misleading. Alaska has a very strong case for leaving the union, between oil, fishing, mining, and lumber... and because there are so few of them, the state even has a somewhat vocal 'independence' party (lol... http://www.akip.org/ ).

It's certainly big enough to be a nation And it's return is higher than that of many countries. Can you imagine if it achieved nationhood? Immigration would go WILD.

Would it mean the rest of us don't have to put up with Sarah Palin anymore? If so, I'm all for it.

That being said, I've heard Alaska has some pretty socialistic laws regarding their oil reserves. Not that I mind, but, damn, it's incredibly hypocritical for them to accept all this socialism when it benefits them and then complain when government programs help anyone else.

[Violet]

Would it mean the rest of us don't have to put up with Sarah Palin anymore? If so, I'm all for it.

Y'know... she did well for AK with the oil tax hike.

That being said, I've heard Alaska has some pretty socialistic laws regarding their oil reserves. Not that I mind, but, damn, it's incredibly hypocritical for them to accept all this socialism when it benefits them and then complain when government programs help anyone else.

Russia's in our backyard. If we become a state, then we'll probably join with it on its next rise to superpower

[DeistPaladin]

Maybe you see it that way, but I see it being a battle for the culture...a struggle between two philosophies....traditionalists who are struggling to preserve the culture and the neo-leftists who are attempting to overthrow the culture and replace it entirely with a distortion of our culture...

I would agree that there is a war for our culture, one that has been fought since the American Revolution started. In each battle along the way, there were reactionaries who drew inspiration from Christianity and the Bible to fight against it.

It was one thing to boldly proclaim "all men are created equal" but living up to that promise has been our struggle throughout history. Such a concept wasn't even enshrined in our federal constitution until the 14th amendment, and even with that promise it hasn't yet been fully implemented.

In the history of the Revolutionary War, there were the Tories who fought as loyalists to the crown. Doubtless, they were inspired by Romans 13:1-2 which proclaimed the divine right of kings to rule (all the rage in Europe at that time).

Then there were the slave owners of the south who felt their right to own slaves was both ensured and regulated by the Bible. The OT regulated the practice of slavery, including how to beat your slaves, how to sell your slaves and even how to rape your slaves if you fancied them. The NT admonished slaves to obey their masters and accept their lot in life as assigned from on high.

And then the civil rights struggle took over a century to more-or-less carry the promise of equality, fought against by Christians who thought their god created the races to be separate.

And "all men" should include "all women" as well but Christians fought on the wrong side of this battle, gaining inspiration from Paul's epistles that clearly placed women in a subservient position to men.

Notice a pattern here?

Each battle must be fought against reactionaries who claim the mantle of the will of Jesus and "traditional values". Each one decries the radicals and trouble-makers who upset tradition and the "proper order" as ordained by their god. Each one disavows the previous group of reactionaries as people who didn't understand either American values or the teachings of Jesus ...except the rhetoric of the reactionaries always seems to sound eerily similar.

It's like what Jesus said, a man can't serve two masters. As he loves one, he must hate the other. The Bible or The Constitution? Which do you serve?

Or as Rushdooney, the leader of the Christian Dominionist movement said, "Christianity and democracy are enemies."

Crushing the political influence of Christianity is nothing less than the last great battle of the American Revolution.

Down with King Jesus.

[CapnAwesome]

I'm afraid these letters are handled the same way they handle letters addressed to Santa Claus.

Unless Santa wipes his ass with the letters sent to him.

[Creed of Heresy]

No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffusd and Virtue is preservd. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauchd in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders.

Wise words from a great man.

[A Theist]

Maybe you see it that way, but I see it being a battle for the culture...a struggle between two philosophies....traditionalists who are struggling to preserve the culture and the neo-leftists who are attempting to overthrow the culture and replace it entirely with a distortion of our culture...

I would agree that there is a war for our culture, one that has been fought since the American Revolution started. In each battle along the way, there were reactionaries who drew inspiration from Christianity and the Bible to fight against it.

It was one thing to boldly proclaim "all men are created equal" but living up to that promise has been our struggle throughout history. Such a concept wasn't even enshrined in our federal constitution until the 14th amendment, and even with that promise it hasn't yet been fully implemented.

In the history of the Revolutionary War, there were the Tories who fought as loyalists to the crown. Doubtless, they were inspired by Romans 13:1-2 which proclaimed the divine right of kings to rule (all the rage in Europe at that time).

Then there were the slave owners of the south who felt their right to own slaves was both ensured and regulated by the Bible. The OT regulated the practice of slavery, including how to beat your slaves, how to sell your slaves and even how to rape your slaves if you fancied them. The NT admonished slaves to obey their masters and accept their lot in life as assigned from on high.

And then the civil rights struggle took over a century to more-or-less carry the promise of equality, fought against by Christians who thought their god created the races to be separate.

And "all men" should include "all women" as well but Christians fought on the wrong side of this battle, gaining inspiration from Paul's epistles that clearly placed women in a subservient position to men.

Notice a pattern here?

Each battle must be fought against reactionaries who claim the mantle of the will of Jesus and "traditional values". Each one decries the radicals and trouble-makers who upset tradition and the "proper order" as ordained by their god. Each one disavows the previous group of reactionaries as people who didn't understand either American values or the teachings of Jesus ...except the rhetoric of the reactionaries always seems to sound eerily similar.

It's like what Jesus said, a man can't serve two masters. As he loves one, he must hate the other. The Bible or The Constitution? Which do you serve?

Or as Rushdooney, the leader of the Christian Dominionist movement said, "Christianity and democracy are enemies."

Crushing the political influence of Christianity is nothing less than the last great battle of the American Revolution.

Down with King Jesus.

"In the history of the Revolutionary War, there were the Tories who fought as loyalists to the crown. Doubtless, they were inspired by Romans 13:1-2 which proclaimed the divine right of kings to rule (all the rage in Europe at that time).....
Doubtful...the Tories were simply colonial loyalists who considered themselves subjects of the British Crown...Patriots however, resisted a Big Government tax imposed on them for the government controlled tea trade in the colonies that was hurting their businesses by driving up the cost of British tea...the patriots resisted by refusing to buy British tea and smuggled tea into the colonies from Holland....with the East India Company in financial straits the British government gave them a bailout and tried to make up the cost by taxing the colonists...after a while the British government and the East India Company responded to the colonists boycott by selling directly to the colonists at a cheaper cost than the imported Dutch tea, undercutting the colonial middlemen,...hurting their businesses...and eventually led to the colonists Boston Tea Party resisting Big Government Control through taxation without representation.

"The NT admonished slaves to obey their masters and accept their lot in life as assigned from on high."...it was the Churches and Christian Ministers who largely led the abolition effort in America and condemned slavery from the pulpit....Revivalists like Charles Finney and Lyman Beecher, (father of Harriet Beecher Stowe who authored Uncle Tom's Cabin)...Finney was also Oberlin College's second president...Oberlin College in Ohio was built and established primarily to train young men for the ministry and for the abolition effort...the Tappan brothers who financed the building of Oberlin were abolitionists and were converts of Finney as was also Theodore Weld another leading abolitionist....doubtless they were inspired by Paul's epistle I Corinthians 7:21 that encouraged slaves to take advantage of the opportunity to become free.

"And then the civil rights struggle took over a century to more-or-less carry the promise of equality, fought against by Christians who thought their god created the races to be separate."....again, Christian Ministers, (like the Reverend Martin Luther King), and Churches were at the forefront of the civil rights movement.

"And "all men" should include "all women" as well but Christians fought on the wrong side of this battle,"....Again, some of the most vocal supporters of women's suffrage were Christian ministers and the Churches...one of the most vocal to support the suffrage effort was the very conservative evangelist, Billy Sunday...

"Notice a pattern here?"...yes I do.

"It's like what Jesus said, a man can't serve two masters. As he loves one, he must hate the other.....which do you serve? The Constitution or a big leftist government control overthrow of the Constitution?

"Down with King Jesus."...King Jesus forever.

[DeistPaladin]

...and in future years, assuming Christianity hasn't gone the way of Zeus, Odin and Ra, Christian leaders will claim the gay rights movement as their accomplishment as well. Locally, we have pastor Joe Phelps (not to be confused with the Westboro group) who campaigns for gay rights and liberal values and people like him will be touted as an example. Future Christians will say they supported equality all along. Too bad about all those false Christians who misunderstood what scripture really said yatta yatta blah blah blah...

It's like I said to you, A Theist, future reactionaries will disavow the ones of earlier generations, just like how you're doing with your predecessors.

With every social and technological advance, Christianity gets dragged kicking and screaming into each modern age, social progress being made possible only overtop Christian resistance, after which Christianity dusts itself off and proclaims, "Aren't you glad we fought FOR all this? You're welcome."

Only one problem for historical revisionists like yourself: Christianity may change but the Bible doesn't. It's unambiguously pro-slavery, pro-royalty and anti-women's rights.