Halal meat: is it truly better for you?

[ThatMuslimGuy]

Sorry buddy you are just fooling yourself.

It's just another method (I have grave doubts about the lack of "suffering" you propose for Halal) but hey it is also a great way to steal money off ignorant people. Had to laugh at "Halal Bleach" no seriously!! What a joke!

Only telling you what i know.

[frankiej]

First of all, you said humane and then went on to describe something really fuckin' brutal to me. Secondly, a source would be lovely.

[ThatMuslimGuy]

First of all, you said humane and then went on to describe something really fuckin' brutal to me. Secondly, a source would be lovely.

Lol ok maybe humane wasnt the word. Maybe the same pain as normal methods or less.
To my knowledge only one study has been done and it is still open to debate but the study done gave those results.
"a study incorporating EEG (electroencephalograph) with electrodes surgically implanted on the skull of 17 sheep and 15 calves, and conducted by Wilhelm Schulze et al. at the University of Veterinary Medicine in Germany concluded that "the slaughter in the form of a ritual cut is, if carried out properly, painless in sheep and calves according to EEG recordings and the missing defensive actions" (of the animals) and that "For sheep, there were in part severe reactions both in bloodletting cut and the pain stimuli" when captive bolt stunning (CBS) was used.[25][26] This study is cited by the German Constitutional Court in its permitting of dhabiha slaughtering." (wikipedia)
I cant find the full document sorry.
But my viewpoint basicly is their isnt enough research to have a conclusive judgement. One research that was done showed that it was less painfull.
So my viewpoint is it is either the same pain as normal methods or less.


*Edit* found some papers
http://www.asidcom.org/Report-the-welfar...ls-is.html


From that paper:
"...The conclusions of all the scientific experiments converge towards one firmly
supported certainty: properly carried out, religious slaughter is the most humane
way because there is less trauma when killing an animal to consume its meat"

S. MR. POUILLAUDE,
“L’abattage rituel en France (In French) ",
Thesis for the School of Veterinary Surgeons, Toulouse (1992)

From the paper final paragraph:
Finally, several scientific studies note the equivalence between religious slaughter
and other methods of stunning with respect to the animal’s welfare during the time
just prior to death. Religious slaughter is even regarded as the less traumatic
method according to several noted French veterinary surgeons.

The orginal paper but in german - http://www.way-to-allah.com/dokument/bol...e_tiho.pdf

[Fidel_Castronaut]

First of all, you said humane and then went on to describe something really fuckin' brutal to me. Secondly, a source would be lovely.

Halal and kosher should be illegal forms of slaughter.

They actually would be throughout the EU (they are in breech of the UK's slaughter house act) if it wherent for persistent lobbying and legal exemptions.

A far as I'm aware, halal and kosher slaughter is illegal in Switzerland and Norway, but I could be wrong, precisely because the academic consensus on the matter has been that they bring undue suffering when compared to stunning.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17...ghter.html

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/uf...4/art00002

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...4008003999

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.10...8608416872

I can find limited research journal articles at best that indicate halal/kosher are preferable alternatives to stunning. The majority who advocate it are not science based research journals but rather theological journals or just sites with vested interested who give no real scrutiny to the claims they are promoting.

Also, any 'research' paper that begins with the tag line "In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful" should be treated with immense skepticism.

[ThatMuslimGuy]

First of all, you said humane and then went on to describe something really fuckin' brutal to me. Secondly, a source would be lovely.

Halal and kosher should be illegal forms of slaughter.

They actually would be throughout the EU (they are in breech of the UK's slaughter house act) if it wherent for persistent lobbying and legal exemptions.

A far as I'm aware, halal and kosher slaughter is illegal in Switzerland and Norway, but I could be wrong, precisely because the academic consensus on the matter has been that they bring undue suffering when compared to stunning.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17...ghter.html

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/uf...4/art00002

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...4008003999

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.10...8608416872

I can find limited research journal articles at best that indicate halal/kosher are preferable alternatives to stunning. The majority who advocate it are not science based research journals but rather theological journals or just sites with vested interested who give no real scrutiny to the claims they are promoting.

Also, any 'research' paper that begins with the tag line "In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful" should be treated with immense skepticism.

lmao i would agree with that in the name of Allah one.
Cheers for the links

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Thanks for the articles finding them really interesting.

[KichigaiNeko]

Ya know, I often wonder just how much adrenalin and other hormones are present when this Halal procedure is carried out as other animals have to watch. I wonder what that does to the meat. For me it sounds like tainting the meat with unnecessary chemicals, no matter how "natural" they are...after all cyanide and arsenic are "natural"

I understand that ALL meat slaughtered (to the above mentioned standards) has the "blood" drained out (if it didn't I wouldn't have any "Blood and Bone" for my garden! )

Kosher and Halal are just a money making exercise to strip the gullible of and financial equity.

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http://youtu.be/h_bZzxep87c

[ThatMuslimGuy]

Ya know, I often wonder just how much adrenalin and other hormones are present when this Halal procedure is carried out as other animals have to watch. I wonder what that does to the meat. For me it sounds like tainting the meat with unnecessary chemicals, no matter how "natural" they are...after all cyanide and arsenic are "natural"

I understand that ALL meat slaughtered (to the above mentioned standards) has the "blood" drained out (if it didn't I wouldn't have any "Blood and Bone" for my garden! )

Kosher and Halal are just a money making exercise to strip the gullible of and financial equity.

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http://youtu.be/h_bZzxep87c

To my knowledge the correct method of killing the animal wasn't taken in that video. For example he sharpened his knife in front of the animal. And slaughtered the animal next to others even though The prophet (peace be upon him) taught Muslims neither to sharpen the blade of the knife in front of the animal nor to slaughter an animal in front of others of its own kind.

[KichigaiNeko]

Sorry sunshine but that is not the practice. The whole process is to leave the animals nervous system intact so it can suffer. Something about men being superior or some such childish nonsense.