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RE: Why should anyone even want a relationship with God?
January 15, 2013 at 3:02 am
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You might have missed the crux-
Here you sit, contemplating a deity you owe your life to, concluding that you would worship it on those grounds alone, but I doubt that this is the case- as you don't seem keen on worshiping your parents. There's more, some unspoken thing (as there often is) in your assessment.
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RE: Why should anyone even want a relationship with God?
January 15, 2013 at 3:05 am
When you get your hands on new technology, are you grateful for the sales person at the store or the innovators of the technology?
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RE: Why should anyone even want a relationship with God?
January 15, 2013 at 3:07 am
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I don't have any altars in my home to either.......
Truth be told, I don't spend much time thinking about either person in any case, do you? Perhaps arranging two propositions side by side would help you to understand what I'm driving at.
On the one hand you have a god you owe your life to - call this the deist proposition. You conclude that it is worthy of worship on these grounds alone
On the other you have your parents that you owe your life to -call this the atheist proposition. Do you conclude that they are worthy of worship as above?
If not why not? What is the unspoken difference, and if there is such a difference, was your earlier assessment all that accurate to begin with?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why should anyone even want a relationship with God?
January 15, 2013 at 3:12 am
I just don't understand how the trivialities within the thing this hypothetical god created are to override the god that made the trivialities possible. Why can't I be thankful to the one that began everything?
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RE: Why should anyone even want a relationship with God?
January 15, 2013 at 3:14 am
You can, and that's one side of the coin, but thankful is not worshipful, and the other side of the coin is a demonstrable reality which doesn't elicit the same response in you.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why should anyone even want a relationship with God?
January 15, 2013 at 3:22 am
Worship would come into it if one of the hundreds of myths turned out to actually be the eternal truth of the cosmos, because only theistic propositions claim that worship is a must.
My "positive" response to the first side of the coin necessarily needs the other side of the coin. Reality and this hypothetical god by definition have had a relationship.
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RE: Why should anyone even want a relationship with God?
January 15, 2013 at 3:27 am
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Because everyone loves having imaginary friends and God is the only imaginary friend they won't lock you up in the mental institution for having.
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RE: Why should anyone even want a relationship with God?
January 15, 2013 at 3:28 am
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Oh ffs man....I'll let you do all the wondering about gods and godly things - I'm simply asking why you don;t feel compelled to worship your parents - not -if- this creator god existed, but as we sit in the here and now, where it doesn't. Why is the creator god worthy of worship while your creator parents are not? Nothing to do with a god buddy, it's a question as to whats moving around behind your eyes, chiefly -why do two identical propositions elicit a dissimilar response?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why should anyone even want a relationship with God?
January 15, 2013 at 3:41 am
Because my parents and their parents and the parents of their parents all wouldn't be here without this hypothetical god.
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RE: Why should anyone even want a relationship with God?
January 15, 2013 at 4:42 am
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I've never understood every religious person's inclination to not only need and know god but to also love him.
It's always seemed very very strange to me. As a deist, I believe in some sort of a creator being and yet I find it bizarre when people say that they love god and he love's them. It makes no sense to me. Why worship anything? A king, a pope, a dictator god?
Honestly, I think you have to be a special kind of stupid (or maybe just insecure and gullible) to think for one minute that the god of the bible or the Qur'an could ever love you even a tiny fraction of the amount that he loves himself.
It's like living in the 13th century and hoping that Genghis Khan loves you. Pointless.
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