Another law thread

[Faith No More]

Again that fact that God gave me a glimps of hell and the Fact that that glimps is indeed deniable, proves that the 'proof' i received was not undeniable. which further underscores my orginal statement. God does not give undeniable proof.

Is there any part of you that can deny that your experience was real?

[Drich]

Again that fact that God gave me a glimps of hell and the Fact that that glimps is indeed deniable, proves that the 'proof' i received was not undeniable. which further underscores my orginal statement. God does not give undeniable proof.

Is there any part of you that can deny that your experience was real?

The part that makes me still identify the whole experience as a Dream. Because I can accept that all of this did happen while I was asleep, I know it to be a dream. one unlike I had ever had before or since, but still a dream. (As witnessed by my cold wet bed.) Meaning I was not transported anywhere. I know I never left the room.

[Dee Dee Ramone]

Is there any part of you that can deny that your experience was real?

The part that makes me still identify the whole experience as a Dream. Because I can accept that all of this did happen while I was asleep, I know it to be a dream. one unlike I had ever had before or since, but still a dream. (As witnessed by my cold wet bed.) Meaning I was not transported anywhere. I know I never left the room.

You pissed your pants because of a nightmare. That's not divine intervention.

[Drich]

Actually no, because my morality isn't based solely on societal laws, no matter whom it happens to be based on. Sure, I follow the laws, but I also disagree with some of them, and I can indeed see a point where, if society took up god's morality (say, to the point of feeding those who dare mock his prophets to bears) that I would take a stand and disobey the immoral ones.

You've missed the point of my illustration. If you do not currently involve yourself in and advertise death penality level crimes, you would have fallen into a reality where your soceity has adopted the 'morality' of a verfiable God.

But that's beside the point anyway. The existence of your god does not require worship or rebellion be the only options anyway.

God says it does. Either one worships God or one is in rebellion. This is illustrated by Christ over and over in his teachings "Wheat/Weeds, Wheat/Chaff, Sheep/Goats" One is either accepted by God or he is not.

I simply refuse to live on bended knee toward a tyrant: your god might prove himself extant tomorrow, and it wouldn't change my actions at all, because I'm focused on being a good person for my own reasons, not his, and not society's. Undeniable proof of god would merely give one food for thought, not alter free will: even the faithful can't agree on what counts as god's will, after all.

Your missing the big picture. This Very thing has happened in two periods of History already. (in two completely different cultures in two different time frames.) The results were the same both times.. How is it you believe despite actual evidence in the Historical record that you know things would work differently?

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The part that makes me still identify the whole experience as a Dream. Because I can accept that all of this did happen while I was asleep, I know it to be a dream. one unlike I had ever had before or since, but still a dream. (As witnessed by my cold wet bed.) Meaning I was not transported anywhere. I know I never left the room.

You pissed your pants because of a nightmare. That's not divine intervention.

I keep saying sweat, (as everything was wet; Hair, cloths, sheets were completely soaked through) but truth be known it might have been alittle of both. I say If their was a time where one gets a pass to pee his pants it would be ok if one were sent to Hell.

[Nine]

You pissed your pants because of a nightmare. That's not divine intervention.

I keep saying sweat, (as everything was wet; Hair, cloths, sheets were completely soaked through) but truth be known it might have been alittle of both. I say If their was a time where one gets a pass to pee his pants it would be ok if one were sent to Hell.

Plus if it were pee it would be warm wouldn't it?

[Faith No More]

The part that makes me still identify the whole experience as a Dream. Because I can accept that all of this did happen while I was asleep, I know it to be a dream. one unlike I had ever had before or since, but still a dream. (As witnessed by my cold wet bed.) Meaning I was not transported anywhere. I know I never left the room.

Well, does the part that makes you identify it as a dream have any doubts that you had an authentic experience of hell?

[Darkstar]

But that's beside the point anyway. The existence of your god does not require worship or rebellion be the only options anyway.

God says it does. Either one worships God or one is in rebellion.

Do I need to pull out the sith lord Jesus memes again?

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[Drich]

God says it does. Either one worships God or one is in rebellion.

Do I need to pull out the sith lord Jesus memes again?

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You do know that the bible was written before Lucas destroyed his franchise with stuff like that quote right? which means it was his intent to vilify at least the church if not God Himself.

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The part that makes me still identify the whole experience as a Dream. Because I can accept that all of this did happen while I was asleep, I know it to be a dream. one unlike I had ever had before or since, but still a dream. (As witnessed by my cold wet bed.) Meaning I was not transported anywhere. I know I never left the room.

Well, does the part that makes you identify it as a dream have any doubts that you had an authentic experience of hell?

As I said from the beginning, I was told I never passed through the gates of Hell. Apparently the gates of hell were enough for me. As far as the real hell, hopefully I will never know anything of it.

We're you asking was my experience deniable ?

Yes, because it was a dream, and because of my acknowledgement of it as a dream and because of all the scientific crap you good people are so quick to pointout about dreams my experience could be considered deniable. That said it was what I needed to see at the time, I needed to see it to point me in a direction where I could establish and maintain my faith. Again hell was not the motivation that move me to seek atonement. it was in that moment I experienced God's complete love. The desire to hear well done good and faithful servant as my neighbor did. This is what turned my life around not hell. i wanted an eternity of feeling the wholeness or completeness of God's love. Hell or what I learned in that dream of hell that took me years of study to verify, its what made everything real. Something that happened well after I had first started a/s/k

[Faith No More]

But what I want to know is(and pardon me if you feel you've answered this, but I don't feel you have)is there any part of you that doubts that it was an authentic, divine experience?

[Esquilax]

You've missed the point of my illustration. If you do not currently involve yourself in and advertise death penality level crimes, you would have fallen into a reality where your soceity has adopted the 'morality' of a verfiable God.

I do not even know what this means.

God says it does. Either one worships God or one is in rebellion. This is illustrated by Christ over and over in his teachings "Wheat/Weeds, Wheat/Chaff, Sheep/Goats" One is either accepted by God or he is not.

Sure, god can say whatever he wants. From a personal standpoint, I can remain ambivalent to him, regardless of whether his existence is proven or not. You say if he did prove himself it would deny free will, and then when I tell you it wouldn't for me, you start talking about what god's thinking, like that at all matters given the example.

Your missing the big picture. This Very thing has happened in two periods of History already. (in two completely different cultures in two different time frames.) The results were the same both times.. How is it you believe despite actual evidence in the Historical record that you know things would work differently?

Because- as my repeated use of the pronoun "I" might have suggested- I was speaking only in personal terms, in response to your original premise. I know what's in my head.

... He said, knowing full well that you're next going to argue that I don't because god.