North Korea Aiming Nuclear Test Towards US

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Um, no they don't. The US wilfully invaded Vietnam without real justification. More recently they did the same to Afghanistan and Iraq, and then once they invaded they even tortured the POW's, murdered the POW's AND raped them as well. Sound like a nation that prefers "trade and peace" to you?

*sigh* He meant with China. Trade and peace with China is the best path as far as relations with China.

Oh, and China also enslaved Vietnam. So did France. Let's not leave things out. It's not a justification, or even part of the explanation of why we invaded, but your picture of things is quite narrow. Also, I would like it if you didn't refer to a bunch of cock slobbering assholes as this "nation." A handful of fucking useless ingrates does not a country make. The US didn't rape anybody, ya knucklehead.

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Um, no they don't. The US wilfully invaded Vietnam without real justification. More recently they did the same to Afghanistan and Iraq, and then once they invaded they even tortured the POW's, murdered the POW's AND raped them as well. Sound like a nation that prefers "trade and peace" to you?

There was a justification for the war in Afhanistan, the war itself was a fail.
And it wasnt "The US" which invaded Afghanistan, it was NATO. The US called out "Causa Bellis" after 9\11 which means, that if a NATO member is attacked, every single other NATO member is commited by the "Causa Bellis" article in the NATO agreement to declare war against the aggressor.

And one cannot compare these two different wars, they took place in two different eras under different political circumstances, in a completly different context.

And I dont see how this supposedly means that the US is ready to fo to war with North Korea?
How the US engages in foreign policie with one country doesn`t say how it will engage into foreign policie with another.
And the US, which is a democracy "suprise" has changed it`s approach on foreign policie several times, sometimes within a administartion (political U-turn).

Unlike North Korea, which has been "trolling" the same bullshit for 50 years.

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It's not a justification, or even part of the explanation of why we invaded, but your picture of things is quite narrow. Also, I would like it if you didn't refer to a bunch of cock slobbering assholes as this "nation." A handful of fucking useless ingrates does not a country make. The US didn't rape anybody, ya knucklehead.

Tell that bullshit to David Hicks, or to Manadel al-Jamadi, or Sean Baker or any of the unfortunate Guantanamo POW's.

I realize that Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Obama, George Tenet, Lynndie England, Ivan Frederick, the crew of Crazyhorse 18, Guantanamo Bay and its staff, not to mention all the higher-ups who willingly cover up these incidents, represent only a "snapshot" of the country, but do I think they're representative of the USA? Absolutely. The UN convention against torture is black and white clear, yet Cheney, Bush, Obama, Tenet, all who are guilty of it have never faced charges, that's because the USA is officially complicit with torturing POW's.

For the record, England and Frederick got 3 and 10 years gaol sentences, pretty light sentences don't you think for gross abuse of POW's including rape, torture and murder. That's nothing compared to what Bradley Manning is facing.

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Oh for fuck's sake, we are NOT getting into the god-damned gitmo debate again, dammit, I'm about as tired of this one as I am about the guns debate.

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Also Daniel I'd like to point out that the Anglican church is complicit with the Rwandan genocide, where its...what was the phrase you used? Ah, yes, the "representatives." Its representatives placed the blame for the genocide on the RPF because it had attacked Rwanda, or so they said, not to mention that their activities in Rwanda fueled the genocide itself. Anglican bishop Samuel Musabyimana was allegedly responsible for killing or causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the Tutsi population 'with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a racial or ethnic group'.

Also to quote an article I found on the subject:

Following the killing of the president of Rwanda in April 1994, the country was rent with civil war and at least 500,000 persons were murdered. Now some in that country are accusing bishops, priests, and lay members of the Eglise Episcopale du Rwanda of participating in the genocidal campaigns.


During a visit to Rwanda from May 9 to May 13, Archbishop of Canterbury acknowledged some blame on the part of the Episcopal church, stating that "The church in Rwanda lost an opportunity to be prophetic during the genocide. The church should have been calling out for justice but by and large its voice was silent." During his visit, protesters waved placards naming bishops they claimed were involved in the massacres. Among those named was Augustin Nshamihigo, archbishop of Kigali, who is currently living in exile in Nairobi.

If you want to recant your sentiment about representation immediately following this little reminder, I'll completely understand and allow it, cuz I'm that kind of guy.

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I tell you what, I'll start my own thread, and the off-topic nonsense in this thread can die.