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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 23, 2013 at 8:08 pm
Davies is a well respected Minimalist scholar. That means Old Testament.
Minimalism does not deal with the NT but it seems he cannot resist sticking his nose in. In the article in question it was because of his good pal, Thompson.
This does not change the fact the xtians do not worship the man - they worship the magic tricks.
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 24, 2013 at 12:24 am
I went to the web site. It's a kind of a new cult - so new I couldn't find it on wikipedia. Note to cults: always make a wikipedia entry when you get going!
From their site:
Quote:Creatoism was founded in United Kingdom in 2012, after many years of investigation into not only the ancient texts of other religions, but also other ancient writings and and antique books. Our religion uses some of these texts as evidence of occurrences in history, but only where other collaborating evidence backs up the occurrence or event.
Quote:Our religion,is based on scientific fact and theories and unlike other older religions, we do not proclaim to believe in a god or omnipotent being! There is no scientific evidence for this, there is no scientific theory that could explain such an existence. Many other religions have used some times similar stories in past history, sometimes their beliefs are similar, our beliefs are totally different to all other religions, and all our beliefs are based on proven facts, or scientific theories.
Quote:We hold monthly "Family" gatherings, these are similar to what in some religions are called "Services". In our family gatherings we do pray,why some would say? Our reason for praying, is based on scientific fact, it has been scientifically proven, that mass praying, does indeed help people recover more quickly than those that do not receive prayers.
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 24, 2013 at 6:23 am
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 24, 2013 at 6:32 am
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(February 23, 2013 at 6:04 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (February 23, 2013 at 5:16 pm)traveller Wrote: I'm sorry to ramble on but I feel so strongly, that all religions are all based on the same historical events
'Ramble' is a understatement.
How is there references to Jesus in nonreligious texts from before he was supposed to have existed?
What historical events are you referring to?
Quote:You may have gathered I do not believe there was a god, but I am not an atheist, I believe in scientific fact and have recently converted to Creatoism. see creatoism.com
If you don't believe in the existence of a god, then you are an atheist. Why do people make this so difficult?
What 'scientific fact' are you referring to? Because there is no demonstrable evidence in any field that studies the origins of the universe and life on earth for creationism. All evidence points to natural processes.
If you don't believe that a god exists, what is responsible for 'creationism' ?
Hi thanks for your comments but please re-read
Quote: If you don't believe in the existence of a god, then you are an atheist. Why do people make this so difficult?
I am not an atheist! I am Creatoist, which is very different to a Creationist, please use the correct religion.
Quote: What 'scientific fact' are you referring to? Because there is no demonstrable evidence in any field that studies the origins of the universe and life on earth for creationism.
Again please refer to my correct beliefs, Creatoism, believes in the partial evolution, but no god.
Quote: All evidence points to natural processes.
There is no evidence that provides a continual link from the first formation of simple life to Homo Erectus, there are a large number of links missing that cannot be scientifically explained. Some of the big ones are why is there such a variation, if all life was formed from the same original "Life form", why is the evolution still not continuing, i.e why are apes not turning into humans, fish into bird and many more, is it hard to believe that we may have had some "Intervention" but not from an omnipotent being, just possible a meteorite or perhaps a satellite from another planet?
If you don't believe that a god exists, what is responsible for 'creationism'
(February 24, 2013 at 12:24 am)EGross Wrote: I went to the web site. It's a kind of a new cult - so new I couldn't find it on wikipedia. Note to cults: always make a wikipedia entry when you get going!
From their site:
Quote:Creatoism was founded in United Kingdom in 2012, after many years of investigation into not only the ancient texts of other religions, but also other ancient writings and and antique books. Our religion uses some of these texts as evidence of occurrences in history, but only where other collaborating evidence backs up the occurrence or event.
Quote:Our religion,is based on scientific fact and theories and unlike other older religions, we do not proclaim to believe in a god or omnipotent being! There is no scientific evidence for this, there is no scientific theory that could explain such an existence. Many other religions have used some times similar stories in past history, sometimes their beliefs are similar, our beliefs are totally different to all other religions, and all our beliefs are based on proven facts, or scientific theories.
Quote:We hold monthly "Family" gatherings, these are similar to what in some religions are called "Services". In our family gatherings we do pray,why some would say? Our reason for praying, is based on scientific fact, it has been scientifically proven, that mass praying, does indeed help people recover more quickly than those that do not receive prayers.
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Hi, I see you quote Wikipedia.........what a laugh. I have myself entered three entries that are fictitious which have been entered. Entries can be entered and amended by anyone, so don't rely on wikipedia.
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 24, 2013 at 7:14 am
(February 24, 2013 at 6:32 am)traveller Wrote: Hi, I see you quote Wikipedia.........what a laugh. I have myself entered three entries that are fictitious which have been entered. Entries can be entered and amended by anyone, so don't rely on wikipedia.
A good wikipedia article provides references for the information presented. These references can then be checked out. It will also provide a bibliography and links to other websites if this is relevant. Any entry which doesn't provide a source or book reference is suspect.
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 24, 2013 at 8:00 am
And surprise, surprise.... Creatoism is the only TRUE tm religion......
Who'd have guessed.
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 24, 2013 at 8:27 am
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(February 24, 2013 at 8:00 am)Zen Badger Wrote: And surprise, surprise.... Creatoism is the only TRUE tm religion......
Who'd have guessed.
I just visited the website and it isn't very informative.
Quote:How do I learn more about Creatoism?
You can download any of our books, or attend a monthly worship, or even speak to one of our flock.
Where can people do these things? Is this a new website which is still being constructed or a joke?
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 24, 2013 at 8:45 am
(February 24, 2013 at 8:27 am)Confused Ape Wrote: (February 24, 2013 at 8:00 am)Zen Badger Wrote: And surprise, surprise.... Creatoism is the only TRUE tm religion......
Who'd have guessed.
I just visited the website and it isn't very informative.
It tells you that it's the one true religion...
Isn't that enough?
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RE: For People Who Think There Was No Historical Jesus
February 24, 2013 at 10:34 am
Quote:Am I inclined to accept that Jesus existed? Yes, I am. But I am unable to say with any conviction what he may have said and done, or what his words and deeds might tell us about who or what he thought he was.
But this is the very essence of the point. The legends are so absurd and/or obscure that no reasonable picture of the man can be discerned but he still "accepts that he existed?" Why? And why not then also accept all of the other gods who very silly men claim exist?
There is far too much special pleading when it comes to fucking jesus.
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