A question for the faithful

[Minimalist]

I didn't kill children that rebelled or those who didn't keep the Sabbath day holy.

Oh...a cherry-picker!

[YahwehIsTheWay]

I didn't kill children that rebelled or those who didn't keep the Sabbath day holy.

Oh...a cherry-picker!

Another dumb ass phony Christian!

[Drich]

Many years ago, I accepted Jesus and was baptized before my family and friends. This means that all of my sins, past and future, are forgiven.

Some years later, I shook the delusions of faith and christianity and opened my eyes to the real world. There is no evidence whatsoever that a god (any god) exists and I therefore reject the notion of salvation, jesus and god.

By saying what I have said above, I have blasphemed, the one unforgivable sin. Yet, all of my sins have been forgiven.

So the question is, am I going to heaven?

Drich, Catfish, Christian? I would like to hear from you.

I usually do not venture out into these other forums, because I want there to be a place for the members of this web site to be able to openly discuss 'religion' without my input. I occasionally look at these other parts of the website and if I see something that I feel needs to be addressed if i do, I will start a thread in the Christianity section. But since you asked me directly I will give you my two cents.

I am not a once saved always saved believer. Why? Because the word saved indicates a perspective or a point in time that we have not reached yet. Meaning in this life their isn't anything to be saved from. The term saved refers to being saved from hell. We are not officially saved from hell till we pass through aour final judgement. As this has not happened yet, none can truly proclaim that they are saved. Yes Jesus did come to offer salvation to everyone of this world. But, as the people on this website demonstrates over and over again, not all want the salvation Christ offers. The fact that one has an option to accept salvation or not, means salvation is indeed conditional. Which leads to the conditions of salvation. In your case does saying the "sinners prayer" in of itself save you? For that I would say let turn to the bible, and ask is the sinners prayer even spelled out like how we have been taught to pray it? Or is it a compilation of several verses that create a 'doctrine' of salvation? If you look at a typical interpretation of the sinners prayer, the prayer itself is not directly found in the bible. The prayer is largely based on the promise Paul makes in Romans 10:9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...on=NIV;KJV this says if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is lord you will be saved. Not you have been saved.

The question now becomes are their any other prerequisites? Christ seemed to think so. He told us out greatest command is to love our lord God with all of our being. And the love our neighbor as ourselves. This means 'salvation' is not a verbal chant or key word phrase that will place you in heaven no matter what. (There are other conditions to salvation that christ himself mentions we can discuss, but do not have much to do with your question.)

The final question is have you committed the unpardonable sin? In a word no. How can I be so sure. Two reasons you did not follow the examples given in mat 13 and mark 3. And then their is the story Christ tells of the prodigal son. Are you familiar with this story? Basically a wealthy man (God) has a son that wants to leave. (Meaning someone of the faith leaves) so the father lets him go. The son turns to every depraved thing he can think of, and when the world chew him up and spit him out, the son decided he wanted to go home to just work as a servant of his father. So he went home. When the boy was still a long way from home the father saw him and ran out to great him, completely restoring the boy to his former position in the family.

So no you have not committed the unpardonable sin... Yet.

[Baalzebutt]

Many years ago, I accepted Jesus and was baptized before my family and friends. This means that all of my sins, past and future, are forgiven.

Some years later, I shook the delusions of faith and christianity and opened my eyes to the real world. There is no evidence whatsoever that a god (any god) exists and I therefore reject the notion of salvation, jesus and god.

By saying what I have said above, I have blasphemed, the one unforgivable sin. Yet, all of my sins have been forgiven.

So the question is, am I going to heaven?

Drich, Catfish, Christian? I would like to hear from you.

I usually do not venture out into these other forums, because I want there to be a place for the members of this web site to be able to openly discuss 'religion' without my input. I occasionally look at these other parts of the website and if I see something that I feel needs to be addressed if i do, I will start a thread in the Christianity section. But since you asked me directly I will give you my two cents.

I am not a once saved always saved believer. Why? Because the word saved indicates a perspective or a point in time that we have not reached yet. Meaning in this life their isn't anything to be saved from. The term saved refers to being saved from hell. We are not officially saved from hell till we pass through aour final judgement. As this has not happened yet, none can truly proclaim that they are saved. Yes Jesus did come to offer salvation to everyone of this world. But, as the people on this website demonstrates over and over again, not all want the salvation Christ offers. The fact that one has an option to accept salvation or not, means salvation is indeed conditional. Which leads to the conditions of salvation. In your case does saying the "sinners prayer" in of itself save you? For that I would say let turn to the bible, and ask is the sinners prayer even spelled out like how we have been taught to pray it? Or is it a compilation of several verses that create a 'doctrine' of salvation? If you look at a typical interpretation of the sinners prayer, the prayer itself is not directly found in the bible. The prayer is largely based on the promise Paul makes in Romans 10:9 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...on=NIV;KJV this says if you believe in your heart and confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is lord you will be saved. Not you have been saved.

The question now becomes are their any other prerequisites? Christ seemed to think so. He told us out greatest command is to love our lord God with all of our being. And the love our neighbor as ourselves. This means 'salvation' is not a verbal chant or key word phrase that will place you in heaven no matter what. (There are other conditions to salvation that christ himself mentions we can discuss, but do not have much to do with your question.)

The final question is have you committed the unpardonable sin? In a word no. How can I be so sure. Two reasons you did not follow the examples given in mat 13 and mark 3. And then their is the story Christ tells of the prodigal son. Are you familiar with this story? Basically a wealthy man (God) has a son that wants to leave. (Meaning someone of the faith leaves) so the father lets him go. The son turns to every depraved thing he can think of, and when the world chew him up and spit him out, the son decided he wanted to go home to just work as a servant of his father. So he went home. When the boy was still a long way from home the father saw him and ran out to great him, completely restoring the boy to his former position in the family.

So no you have not committed the unpardonable sin... Yet.

Drich, I have to give you kudos for that answer. It was well thought out, well presented and genuine. I honestly never expected that from you.

I really appreciate your taking the time to answer my question with relevance and no condemnation. Keep this up and I may just have to rep you!

[Drich]

Drich, I have to give you kudos for that answer. It was well thought out, well presented and genuine. I honestly never expected that from you.

I really appreciate your taking the time to answer my question with relevance and no condemnation. Keep this up and I may just have to rep you!