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RE: Arguments for the prohibition of drugs
March 2, 2013 at 8:03 pm
I'm not much bothered with drugs, it's never appealed to me. But I am rather aware that it has caused a great drain on the US economy and a flourishing black market, which would likely disappear over time if legalisation were to happen.
I really have nothing against it. It's no more or less damaging than cigarettes, and I'm not too fond of public smokers.
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RE: Arguments for the prohibition of drugs
March 3, 2013 at 7:22 am
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(February 27, 2013 at 7:39 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: On heroin: Yes, in most cases the first shot causes an adiction. Many underestimate how enormously addictive substances made out of opium are.
No, that will only happen if you are already a recovering heroin user. If you use heroin just once, it won't make you suffer withdrawal sympthoms, just the heroin equivalent of a hangover the next day. Withdrawal sympthoms and addiction comes from regular use. It is a myth, kind of the boogeyman stories to scare children from using heroin.
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RE: Arguments for the prohibition of drugs
March 3, 2013 at 7:42 am
Well you can OD and die from your first use though, so there's still danger. Can also happen with ecstasy (that was 2009 here in Australia - 17 year old Gemma Thoms). Unless I'm mistaken the 17 year old prostitute that died in Canberra OD'd on Heroin (that's not to say how many times she had used it though).
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Gemma Thoms with her mum.
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RE: Arguments for the prohibition of drugs
March 3, 2013 at 7:46 am
(February 25, 2013 at 12:25 pm)Grockel Wrote: Can anyone provide me with good arguments supporting the prohibition of drugs?
Thats gonna be hard
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RE: Arguments for the prohibition of drugs
March 3, 2013 at 7:54 am
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For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Arguments for the prohibition of drugs
March 3, 2013 at 9:29 am
(March 3, 2013 at 7:54 am)Aractus Wrote: xXUKAFTTXx
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RE: Arguments for the prohibition of drugs
March 3, 2013 at 10:58 am
(March 3, 2013 at 7:42 am)Aractus Wrote: Well you can OD and die from your first use though, so there's still danger. Can also happen with ecstasy (that was 2009 here in Australia - 17 year old Gemma Thoms). Unless I'm mistaken the 17 year old prostitute that died in Canberra OD'd on Heroin (that's not to say how many times she had used it though).
Gemma Thoms with her mum.
One can OD and die from aspirin, Tylenol, even OTC herbal medicines.
Ecstasy is showing promise for treating people with PTSD.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/03/health/ecstasy-ptsd-3
Basically, what I'm getting at, is many of our (US's) drug laws are rather arbitrary (heroin, bad, but morphine is a-okay, even though they are the same damn thing). Any drug, even OTC's, can be lethal in the right amount, therefore, a drug's lethality is not a good criteria for it's prohibition. Prohibiting drugs that can have positive effects for a certain patient population seems silly (ie. the ecstasy article I've linked). Prohibiting these drugs outright oftentimes prevents further research about their positive uses. I think education and access to substance abuse treatment would prove far more effective than prohibition.
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RE: Arguments for the prohibition of drugs
March 3, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Quote:Prohibiting these drugs outright oftentimes prevents further research about their positive uses.
No it doesn't.
Heroin may be made from poppies, but it's not identical to morphine. You would have had a stronger point if you said Oxycodone which is a prescription drug and is also much worse than heroin. Codeine is another that you can get from a pharmacist without a prescription, and is regularly abused on the streets.
We want to ban the abuse of drugs, not their legitimate uses for treating medical disorders, heroin is very effective at pain relief – however – it is also way more addictive than morphine, and that's the reason we use morphine.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Arguments for the prohibition of drugs
March 3, 2013 at 7:03 pm
In the US it is incredibly difficult to do a study on marijuana, one of the "softest" drugs around, because of government red tape.
I'm not convinced that your assertion of heroin being more addictive to morphine is truth. Oxy is dangerous, because people think since their doctor gave them a prescription it poses no risks. This is linked to the FDA publishing articles saying that opiate addiction isn't present with the use of oxycodone, these have since been proven misleading and inaccurate. I'm in the US, and yes, you need a prescription for codeine, though I am aware this is not the case in Australia.
(March 3, 2013 at 6:52 pm)Aractus Wrote: We want to ban the abuse of drugs, not their legitimate uses for treating medical disorders, heroin is very effective at pain relief – however – it is also way more addictive than morphine, and that's the reason we use morphine. Yet you are so keen to point out meth, which is used to treat ADHD...
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RE: Arguments for the prohibition of drugs
March 5, 2013 at 2:51 am
I do not know if drugs should be legal or not.
Drugs damage families. I know someone who knows someone else who sold their child to pay for meth. I know others who have had bad child abuse due to alchohol. This is common. I know many homeless people, from alcohol as well as drugs. Because something is legal does not mean that it will not harm people. There is a lot of violence associated with legal drugs like alcohol.
I do not know how to weight everything out but whether drugs are legal or illegal it is a big problem and it isn't going to go away.
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