'Nuff Said

[Baalzebutt]

[PyroManiac]

Amen. Very nice!

[Question Mark]

Counter to the potential strawman. Excellent.

[naimless]

That's bullshit. You're either partly responsible for both or not responsible at all.

[Norfolk And Chance]

How can the OP be partly responsible for what other people understand?

[naimless]

How can the OP be partly responsible for what other people understand?

It's pretty simple really. Without other people saying things I wouldn't understand numbers to the extent that I do.

If people understood that I was not understanding counting correctly, they would find a different way to say it until I understood.

Now if another person isn't partly responsible for what I understood then they aren't responsible for what they said either.

That's fine, but if I was always going to not understand something, and they were always going to say something, we were always going to communicate in miscommunication.

So if you are going to take a narrow view that someone is responsible for something then that someone is partly responsible for both, and if you are taking a wider view then no one is responsible for what they said and no one is responsible for how another person understood it.

[Baalzebutt]

It's pretty simple really. Without other people saying things I wouldn't understand numbers to the extent that I do.

If people understood that I was not understanding counting correctly, they would find a different way to say it until I understood.

Now if another person isn't partly responsible for what I understood then they aren't responsible for what they said either.

That's fine, but if I was always going to not understand something, and they were always going to say something, we were always going to communicate in miscommunication.

So if you are going to take a narrow view that someone is responsible for something then that someone is partly responsible for both, and if you are taking a wider view then no one is responsible for what they said and no one is responsible for how another person understood it.

Wow. You totally missed the point.

[PhilipD]

I concur and also understand (to an extent) naimless' response.

I remember trying to teach someone GCSE Mathematics. Was it my responsibility for how someone perceived what I tried to teach them? No. Was it my responsibility to convey to them to the best of my ability what I thought? Yes. Depending on my motives, I could have continued to teach them in varying manners until how they understood my meaning matched what I was trying to teach (which I did) but it was not my responsibility to do so, it was merely my intent.

In a world of 'free speech'; we are free to say what we want to say. It's not our responsibility, but it's in our interest to counter-act any misunderstandings caused by what we say. That depends on your outlook, however.

[naimless]

I concur and also understand (to an extent) naimless' response.

I remember trying to teach someone GCSE Mathematics. Was it my responsibility for how someone perceived what I tried to teach them? No. Was it my responsibility to convey to them to the best of my ability what I thought? Yes. Depending on my motives, I could have continued to teach them in varying manners until how they understood my meaning matched what I was trying to teach (which I did) but it was not my responsibility to do so, it was merely my intent.

In a world of 'free speech'; we are free to say what we want to say. It's not our responsibility, but it's in our interest to counter-act any misunderstandings caused by what we say. That depends on your outlook, however.

Yep, I'm responding to this because I understand what you said to be critical thinking.

Nevertheless, I don't think "free speech" exists. At least it only partly does within a context. My parents are free to use racist speech in my house. I am free to start screaming racist things down a street. The police are free to arrest me. I am free to deny I am the legal fiction who the court claims I am. The court are free to prosecute me. And so on...

I agree it depends heavily on one's outlook, or experience of their environment. I've simply been too aware of the determination of human behaviour to accept the OP's statement, no matter how nicely framed it is and how much it can appeal to one's subjectivity.

[jap23]

Awesome!! But it's not only creationists that set up straw men.