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RE: Gospel of Thomas' recording of jesus' hatred of female parts.
March 7, 2013 at 11:02 pm
(March 7, 2013 at 8:39 am)John V Wrote: (March 7, 2013 at 7:38 am)Brakeman Wrote: Yes, it's Gnostic, but a good portion of the early church was also. Several churches of Gnostic bent really believed this.
So why did those churches and congregations put and uphold these words in jesus' mouth? (I'm not talking about Satan) Why did the men of these churches hate women so much? Whiskey tango foxtrot are you asking us? Wow, you and Aractus have some serious reading comprehension problems!
Let me type it slower for you..
Why did the Gnostic men, who lived as contemporaries and theological competitors to your beloved mid-east christian fathers, hate women so much as to support these heretical works which held so much misogyny?
An answer to this shouldn't hurt your god loving feelings. It was never an attack on your flavor of religion as you believed it to be.
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RE: Gospel of Thomas' recording of jesus' hatred of female parts.
March 8, 2013 at 9:15 am
Wouldn't be hard, you only have to read Paul's epistles to get a sense of the early corruptions in the spread in the Church! As soon as a branch breaks off and divides itself against the established, "orthodox" movement it becomes sectarian, like the Samaritans and sects are known to change the religious canon to better reflect their world view like oh, um, the Samaritans.
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RE: Gospel of Thomas' recording of jesus' hatred of female parts.
March 8, 2013 at 9:31 am
(March 7, 2013 at 11:02 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Wow, you and Aractus have some serious reading comprehension problems!
Let me type it slower for you..
Why did the Gnostic men, who lived as contemporaries and theological competitors to your beloved mid-east christian fathers, hate women so much as to support these heretical works which held so much misogyny?
An answer to this shouldn't hurt your god loving feelings. It was never an attack on your flavor of religion as you believed it to be. I didn't take it as an attack. I'm questioning why you think we, or anyone else here, would know what these men were thinking, if they didn't express it in the documents themselves.
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RE: Gospel of Thomas' recording of jesus' hatred of female parts.
March 8, 2013 at 11:30 pm
(March 8, 2013 at 9:15 am)Aractus Wrote: Wouldn't be hard, you only have to read Paul's epistles to get a sense of the early corruptions in the spread in the Church! As soon as a branch breaks off and divides itself against the established, "orthodox" movement it becomes sectarian, like the Samaritans and sects are known to change the religious canon to better reflect their world view like oh, um, the Samaritans.
Paul's genuine epistles are only one of the many views on Jesus at the time. Why should I trust him over any of the other legitimate beliefs on Jesus? The fact that some people so easily believed that Jesus was only a spirit and not flesh really highlights the weakness in Jesus' story, because how could you possibly not realise your bloody Messiah is preaching from town to town?!
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RE: Gospel of Thomas' recording of jesus' hatred of female parts.
March 9, 2013 at 3:48 am
(March 7, 2013 at 1:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (March 7, 2013 at 8:42 am)Aractus Wrote: Don't worry, he already knows why the GoT is heretical, he just can't seem to accept it.
The gnostic texts are "heretical" because they lost the political battle with the cunts who became the proto-orthodox. They were then rigorously persecuted by your so-called early xtians.
Or did you think the fucking 'holy spirit' did it?
Through my careful reading of the Pauline Epistles, I would go further to state that the Gnostics came first and only the "Orthodox" came along later. The Pauline epistles preach a form of Gnosticism and the editing of those letters and the writing of other letters were to refute some aspects of that Gnosticism.
Although Gnosticism still continued to develop after the ascendancy of "Orthodoxy" in the early church.
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RE: Gospel of Thomas' recording of jesus' hatred of female parts.
March 9, 2013 at 11:46 am
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They continued to develop until the proto-orthodox gained the power to suppress them and every one else.
Interesting that support for your statement comes from the Catholic Encyclopedia which notes: Docetism is not properly a Christian heresy at all, as it did not arise in the Church from the misunderstanding of a dogma by the faithful, but rather came from without.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05070c.htm
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RE: Gospel of Thomas' recording of jesus' hatred of female parts.
March 9, 2013 at 6:49 pm
(This post was last modified: March 9, 2013 at 6:49 pm by Justtristo.)
(March 9, 2013 at 11:46 am)Minimalist Wrote: They continued to develop until the proto-orthodox gained the power to suppress them and every one else.
Interesting that support for your statement comes from the Catholic Encyclopedia which notes: Docetism is not properly a Christian heresy at all, as it did not arise in the Church from the misunderstanding of a dogma by the faithful, but rather came from without.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05070c.htm
It is true that the Orthodox gained power in the 4th century went about suppressing their rivals. However I might add they were the the majority faction in the church by Constantine's reign. Constantine being a politician decided to favor that faction of Christianity which had apparently the majority of the faithful. Although the Gnostics were not as organised as the Orthodox were and Gnostics were often part of Orthodox congregations and met in "Gnostic" groups inside those congregations.
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RE: Gospel of Thomas' recording of jesus' hatred of female parts.
March 9, 2013 at 10:45 pm
(March 7, 2013 at 1:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (March 7, 2013 at 8:42 am)Aractus Wrote: Don't worry, he already knows why the GoT is heretical, he just can't seem to accept it.
The gnostic texts are "heretical" because they lost the political battle with the cunts who became the proto-orthodox. They were then rigorously persecuted by your so-called early xtians.
Or did you think the fucking 'holy spirit' did it?
How do you know that? I have seen many miracles and seen the power of the Holy Spirit. I have seen the Holy Spirit reveal the Biblical text to me many times. Where is your evidence that the early church made it up.
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RE: Gospel of Thomas' recording of jesus' hatred of female parts.
March 10, 2013 at 3:05 am
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(March 9, 2013 at 10:45 pm)jstrodel Wrote: How do you know that? I have seen many miracles and seen the power of the Holy Spirit. I have seen the Holy Spirit reveal the Biblical text to me many times. Where is your evidence that the early church made it up.
I would argue that you have a mindset which makes you look at some bible verse and think it has something to do with Jesus. However those verses in question are often interpreted by your ilk out of their original context.
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