Pride and Sin....

[John V]

It is interesting how far you must twist the very definition of fairness so that you can make yourself believe that he is anything but unfair.

God is obviously unfair, as grace and mercy are by definition unmerited. Fair would be for all to perish.

[Ryantology]

Would it not be even more fair to let all live?

[John V]

Would it not be even more fair to let all live?

Fair has two main senses in this context, deserved and equal.

To let all live would be less unfair in the first sense, fair in the second.

The Bible clearly says that God will have mercy on whom he pleases, so he isn't concerned with being fair in the second sense.

[Kayenneh]

I feel bad about myself as is. I feel good about myself in Christ.

This is actually really sad.. Can you be happy about the person you are, that you have worth in yourself (without interference from any deity)? Even though I don't like you, I say that you have a worth as a human, Christian or not. Remember, all good things you've achieved you did, no one else.

Pride is both a "thought crime" and actually rather a helpful emotion. Taking pride in ones work is a good thing surely?

Humility is in my opinion a virtue, but when one feigns it, it's just as bad as misplaced pride. Being proud of achievements is not 'sinful', if you weren't allowed to enjoy what you are and have done, the world would be a bleak place.

[John V]

This is actually really sad.. Can you be happy about the person you are, that you have worth in yourself (without interference from any deity)? Even though I don't like you, I say that you have a worth as a human, Christian or not. Remember, all good things you've achieved you did, no one else.

Amazing how you guys give us all the credit for any good we achieve, but regarding the evil we do, well, that's God's fault for making us this way.

[Kayenneh]

Amazing how you guys give us all the credit for any good we achieve, but regarding the evil we do, well, that's God's fault for making us this way.

No, since I don't believe in any gods, I do credit all the bad stuff to you too. The difference being that errare humanum est or shit happens when you party naked. When I make mistakes I hope that those around me (if affected) can forgive me If I promise not to do it again. When gods come into the picture, I tend to talk about them on a hypothetical plane, as in "if gods existed and made you the way you are and you do 'evil', why does he let you suffer for that instead of making you 'perfect' from the beginning?". I'm sorry if I came off as condescending, I (as a fellow human being) wanted to say that it's ok to be just that, human.

[John V]

I miss the good ol' days, when you didn't have to put the "hypothetical" into every post to an atheist. Sigh...

[Kayenneh]

I hope for the day when I don't have to make myself clear to theists, that when I talk about god(s), that it would be exactly the same when talking about Voldemort