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Am I a "liberal"?
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RE: Am I a "liberal"?
(September 3, 2009 at 6:27 pm)dry land fish Wrote: Some liberals think it's ok to give non whites more freedoms for example.

(September 3, 2009 at 6:27 pm)dry land fish Wrote: Another example of this would be the idea that a lot of liberals think that we should not use strict interrogation processes with terrorists and that because they are human they should be treated with dignity.

Two statements that stand out here DLF. In some cases it may be 'fair' to give preference to 'non whites'.. for example where there is shown to be an unfair & unequal balance in a workforce favoring one race over another that is discriminatory.

All humans should be treated with dignity. Otherwise our society has no standards.
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#12
RE: Am I a "liberal"?
(September 3, 2009 at 6:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:
(September 3, 2009 at 6:27 pm)dry land fish Wrote: Some liberals think it's ok to give non whites more freedoms for example.

(September 3, 2009 at 6:27 pm)dry land fish Wrote: Another example of this would be the idea that a lot of liberals think that we should not use strict interrogation processes with terrorists and that because they are human they should be treated with dignity.

Two statements that stand out here DLF. In some cases it may be 'fair' to give preference to 'non whites'.. for example where there is shown to be an unfair & unequal balance in a workforce favoring one race over another that is discriminatory.

All humans should be treated with dignity. Otherwise our society has no standards.

No...you are wrong. Do you know what affirmative action is? It means that a black man and a white man can put in for the same position. The white man may have more education and a better understanding of the position. Yet if that company has not hired enough non whites then that black man gets the job. It's unconstitutional and if I were black I'd be offended at even suggesting I deserve more rights than someone else based on my skin color. That's racism in it's own way. This was a discussion we had in a psychology class I took. Not one student in that class thought affirmative action was justified and even the non whites said they disagreed with it.

Terrorsts deserve nothing but torture until they are killed for their actions. If they are willing to blow up my child or my mother for their stupid god then they don't deserve to breathe the same air we breathe. I'd say put them on trial and then hang them so taxpayers don't have to pay for their food.
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#13
RE: Am I a "liberal"?
(September 3, 2009 at 6:44 pm)dry land fish Wrote: Terrorsts deserve nothing but torture until they are killed for their actions. If they are willing to blow up my child or my mother for their stupid god then they don't deserve to breathe the same air we breathe. I'd say put them on trial and then hang them so taxpayers don't have to pay for their food.

That sent a chill down my spine.

The way you describe affirmative action makes it seem like a terrible idea. I have no knowledge on the issue though, so I'll have to see what other people are saying before I jump on your bandwagon with that one.
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RE: Am I a "liberal"?
(September 3, 2009 at 6:47 pm)LukeMC Wrote:
(September 3, 2009 at 6:44 pm)dry land fish Wrote: Terrorsts deserve nothing but torture until they are killed for their actions. If they are willing to blow up my child or my mother for their stupid god then they don't deserve to breathe the same air we breathe. I'd say put them on trial and then hang them so taxpayers don't have to pay for their food.

That sent a chill down my spine.

The way you describe affirmative action makes it seem like a terrible idea. I have no knowledge on the issue though, so I'll have to see what other people are saying before I jump on your bandwagon with that one.
I have no tolerance for terrorism. Anyone who is willing to kill people because they don't share their same religious views is someone who doesn't need to live.

Affirmative action http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action

It is exactly as I described it.
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#15
RE: Am I a "liberal"?
In the UK it's called positive discrimination DLF. I think it's law. If an ethnic group is under represented at a place of work then preference is given to the ethnic applicant.

In my place of birth, the majority population is now asian by a large majority, and preference is given in employment to applicants from that ethnic group.
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#16
RE: Am I a "liberal"?
(September 3, 2009 at 6:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: In the UK it's called positive discrimination DLF. I think it's law. If an ethnic group is under represented at a place of work then preference is given to the ethnic applicant.

In my place of birth, the majority population is now asian by a large majority, and preference is given in employment to applicants from that ethnic group.

You are kidding. There is a law that says Asians get a preference? Positive discrimination...wow. I'm not sure how that can be positive. So they are now the majority but they get perks as if they were a minority? That is what is happening in America. Some of the groups that used to be minorities are becomming the majority. No one should get preference. It should always go by qualifications when it comes to getting a job. If I were an employer I'd want the best candidate for my position regardless of race or sex. Some say that women are discriminated against when getting a job. I think that overweight or unattractive women lose jobs to more attractive women. How we can fix that I'm not sure. I guess we can't fix it. I was hired to work at a gym and the manager told me I was hired because I was attractive and physically fit. He said "How am I going to sell health if a fat unattractive woman is trying to represent my business? Fat women see you...and they want to be like you and the rest of my workers...that imroves business." Of course he would have never said that in public but it happens in a lot of places. I felt bad about it but that's the way it goes. We already have laws that prevent discrimination by employers based on race, religion, sex, disability, and sexual orientation. If anyone feels they have been a victim of discrimination based on those aspects then they can file a complaint. We don't need affirmative action on top of the laws we already have in place.
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#17
RE: Am I a "liberal"?
Affirmative action is complete bullshit. I would have recommended dry land fish's original post if she hadn't included the bit about torturing terrorists to death, because other than that she was spot on.

Jobs should go to those most qualified to do them. People should be treated as equals; all affirmative action does is be racist towards white people. If people were treated as equals, we wouldn't look at the colour of a person's skin when doing an interview; we'd look at their qualifications.

I'm working hard to get a decent degree, and it is wholly unfair that I could be turned down a job simply because I'm white.

On the terrorism point; all we do by torturing them and killing them is sink to their level. There is no difference in my mind between a person who flies planes into buildings, and a person who tortures and executes those responsible. They are both killers; they both deserve justice, but not at the sacrafice of their human dignity. Send them to jail until they die if need be, but don't become them.
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#18
RE: Am I a "liberal"?
Yeah I can see that Adrian...that you want to be diplomatic with the terrorists. Eye for an eye in my book. I think that death is a form of justice. Think about how you would feel if one of your loved ones was killed by a terrorist. Wouldn't you want them to die a very painful death? Personally if a loved one of mine was killed by a terrorist I'd sign up to be able to personally flip the switch on them. I don't think we should send them to jail until they die. Just kill them. I support the death penalty. Before I had a child I probably wouldn't have thought so strongly about it. I worry about the world we live in and how these terrorists might affect my childs life someday. I try not to talk too much about 9/11 but I do remember that day. I was in the Army at that time and it was the day they said "you had better take this seriously because some of you will die in this war". I remember there was a daycare in one of those towers. I thought about how those parents felt to know their children burned to death at the hands of a crazy religious radical. I can't imagine.
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RE: Am I a "liberal"?
(September 3, 2009 at 10:56 pm)dry land fish Wrote: Think about how you would feel if one of your loved ones was killed by a terrorist. Wouldn't you want them to die a very painful death?
No, I'd want them to face a long jail sentence and have their entire life behind bars. Death does nothing to them; it allows them an easy escape, and as an atheist I don't believe there is any place for them to go to after death. I can understand Christians wanting to "send people to hell", but no such place exists, and I'd prefer to see that person suffer for their crimes in jail rather than be put to death.

The death penalty is the ultimate hypocrisy; it is murdering people who commit the crime that is itself murder. It is unjustifiable on that point alone, without going into the whole issue of the execution of the innocent.
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#20
RE: Am I a "liberal"?
(September 3, 2009 at 10:07 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Jobs should go to those most qualified to do them. People should be treated as equals; all affirmative action does is be racist towards white people. If people were treated as equals, we wouldn't look at the colour of a person's skin when doing an interview; we'd look at their qualifications.

This might work in a perfect world, but this world is far from perfect. People are not treated equal. Racism still exists and probably will exist for a long time to come. Affirmative action was put in place to help those that are being discriminated against. Right or wrong it's the way it is.

(September 3, 2009 at 10:07 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I'm working hard to get a decent degree, and it is wholly unfair that I could be turned down a job simply because I'm white.

The good news is that probably will never happen. The majority of the population in the US is still white. More good news, your an atheist so you are in a minority.

(September 3, 2009 at 10:07 pm)Tiberius Wrote: On the terrorism point; all we do by torturing them and killing them is sink to their level.

Exactly. If a loved one of mine was killed by a terrorist, killing that terrorist or all that I see will not bring them back.
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