Am I a "liberal"?

[Tiberius]

I never said you called me a racist outright. Have you lost the ability to read now? I said:

I don't care if you didn't call me a racist directly, but you more than implied it in every post, and there isn't much difference in my book.

(Bolding for emphasis on the section you apparently missed).

You claim we are multicultural, I am well aware that was your position; don't quite see how I misinterpreted it. All I did was point out that by the very definition of multiculturalism, we are not.

Yes, you come out with bullshit in my opinion; I don't see how this invalidates my point somehow. Opinions don't matter; what matters is the facts, and when you misrepresent them as much as you do, that is where I will let my opinions of you be known. The facts are, our society does not match the definition of a multicultural society; we might be aiming for it, we might be halfway there, but we are not all the way there. We are not multicultural.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

The facts are, our society does not match the definition of a multicultural society; we might be aiming for it, we might be halfway there, but we are not all the way there. We are not multicultural.

Adrian,I'm not necessarily disagreeing,but I'd be interested in the definition of "muticultural" you're using.

I see it as a society in which diverse cultural groups of varying size live more-or-less harmoniously together,with equality before the law, and without institutionalised racism.As far as I'm aware,this is not yet the case in the US, Australia or the UK to name just three. However,things ARE changing. (I'd say a black US president is a good indicator of progress)

[Tiberius]

I see it as a society in which diverse cultural groups of varying size live more-or-less harmoniously together,with equality before the law, and without institutionalised racism.As far as I'm aware,this is not yet the case in the US, Australia or the UK to name just three. However,things ARE changing. (I'd say a black US president is a good indicator of progress)

I agree, but I'd go one further and use the definition of Wikipedia and Dictionary.com:

The term multiculturalism generally refers to the acceptance of various cultural divisions for the sake of diversity that applies to the demographic make-up of a specific place.

the preservation of different cultures or cultural identities within a unified society, as a state or nation.

A true multicultural society should have exactly that; multiple cultures. At the moment we don't have that at all. People feel inclined to shed their culture when they move here and adopt a "British" one, which is a shame. People do live harmoniously together, and they are equal within the law, but racism is institutionalised with the police force (as bozo pointed out), and also in the "affirmative action" garbage.

Things are changing indeed. I wouldn't use Barack Obama as an example though. It's an example of attitudes towards racism changing, but I think Obama is culturally American more than anything else.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

It's an example of attitudes towards racism changing, but I think Obama is culturally American more than anything else.

Bourgeois WASP? I so, I agree

The politically incorrect word 'oreo' popped into my head the first time I heard Obama speak,and continues to do so,often. Yes, my bad, I deserve a good birching.

I don't accept it's possible to separate race and culture. IE In my opinion, American culture remains viscerally divided on racial lines. Racism needs be be virtually absent before multiculturalism can exist.