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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
March 27, 2013 at 6:00 am
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(March 27, 2013 at 5:58 am)ciko83 Wrote: (March 27, 2013 at 5:49 am)Darwinian Wrote: Then why not save yourself a huge and illogical step and simply say that no-one created the Cosmos? Much more elegant isn't it?
but that woud be illogical, do you know why, beacuse science has confirmed that universe has begining,big bang, and if you have begining it is created.
God informed us also in quran that he started Big bang and that he expands universe. and that is logical if you look empirically
explosions created disorder, while Big bang explosion created harmony, wich indicates that Big bang was controlled during explosion and expansion.
I'm afraid that's just ignorance on your part and a lack of understanding about Cosmology. The universe we see around us had a beginning just as our solar system had a beginning. Who says the big bang was the beginning of everything? No-one knows what was happening before inflation and the big bang, not even you!
For all anyone knows the Cosmos has existed for ever in some form or another and the big bang is just something that happens as part of its nature, always has and always will. No creator needed!!
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
March 27, 2013 at 6:00 am
(March 27, 2013 at 5:58 am)ciko83 Wrote: but that woud be illogical, do you know why, beacuse science has confirmed that universe has begining,big bang, and if you have begining it is created.
You are also missing the logical question in relation to what created god? God is not the answer simply because science has yet to reach the answer to how everything was created.
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
March 27, 2013 at 6:05 am
We have ourselves a muslim strodel, YIKES!
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
March 27, 2013 at 6:10 am
(March 27, 2013 at 5:57 am)Mr Infidel Wrote: (March 27, 2013 at 5:54 am)ciko83 Wrote: i dont even need relgious book to prove existence of creator, all i need is science beacuse science points towards God not towards atheism.
If that was the case, why has science not mentioned it yet? You are only providing your own biased version of what you think is science when in reality it is pure nonsense with a twist of faith.
of course many scientists have said it, look these if you dont believe me
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
March 27, 2013 at 6:14 am
(March 27, 2013 at 6:10 am)ciko83 Wrote: of course many scientists have said it, look these if you dont believe me
I have gleaned from the youtube source that this video contains inaccurate information and very unreasonable arguments. I guess you have to try again.
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
March 27, 2013 at 6:17 am
(March 27, 2013 at 5:58 am)ciko83 Wrote: explosions created disorder, while Big bang explosion created harmony, wich indicates that Big bang was controlled during explosion and expansion.
So... first off, the big bang wasn't a literal explosion, dude. Way to show your ignorance of the subject you're professing to know the absolute solution to.
Quote:what i believe i think is most logical, if someone can give better logical explantion i accept it, but i have not seen it yet and i have watched so many relgious-atheists debates and i have never seen an logical explanation from the atheists.
Have you, perchance, actually looked? All those complex things you say must be designed because complex things are always designed, have you actually bothered to do a single minute of research as to their evolutionary basis? Have you looked at the science, or just watched some debates? Because, I gotta tell ya, "atheist" is not a synonym of "scientist." I'm an atheist, but I'm a writer as my profession.
Also, those debates will generally not focus on the scientific basis for secular beliefs, but rather on the beliefs themselves, phrased around the existence of god; they aren't exactly one stop shops for scientific explanations. If you want one of those, go and do some research on the actual topic, or hell, ask us. I'm sure we'd be able to direct you to some things.
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
March 27, 2013 at 6:28 am
(March 27, 2013 at 6:00 am)Darwinian Wrote: (March 27, 2013 at 5:58 am)ciko83 Wrote: but that woud be illogical, do you know why, beacuse science has confirmed that universe has begining,big bang, and if you have begining it is created.
God informed us also in quran that he started Big bang and that he expands universe. and that is logical if you look empirically
explosions created disorder, while Big bang explosion created harmony, wich indicates that Big bang was controlled during explosion and expansion.
I'm afraid that's just ignorance on your part and a lack of understanding about Cosmology. The universe we see around us had a beginning just as our solar system had a beginning. Who says the big bang was the beginning of everything? No-one knows what was happening before inflation and the big bang, not even you!
For all anyone knows the Cosmos has existed for ever in some form or another and the big bang is just something that happens as part of its nature, always has and always will. No creator needed!!
this is wrong , even your atheistic scientists say that
matter and time was created at Big bang, before that there was nothing.
http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html
Stephen Hawking
The Beginning of Time
" All the evidence seems to indicate, that the universe has not existed forever, but that it had a beginning, about 15 billion years ago. This is probably the most remarkable discovery of modern cosmology"
so how can you say that it existed forever when Hawking and all other comologist say it had begining, and not existed for ever.
Nasa has proved Big bang, so it is a fact, that universe had begining. and when you have begining you have a cause. and we muslims say it is God.
Quote:I'm afraid that's just ignorance on your part and a lack of understanding about Cosmology.
but i proved to you that you did not understand comoslogy from the words of Hakwing.
Quote: No-one knows what was happening before inflation and the big bang, not even you!
but God has informed us about that
God said this in quran.
Big bang
30- Do not these disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were an integrated mass, which We then split, and from water We made all living things? Will they not believe even then? 21-The Prophets, 30
EXPANDING UNIVERSE
47- With power did We construct heaven. Verily, We are expanding it. 51-The Dispersing, 47
scientific evidence for God
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
March 27, 2013 at 6:31 am
(March 27, 2013 at 6:28 am)ciko83 Wrote: even your atheistic scientists say that
I am fond of finding patterns that some people are incapable of losing from one personality to another, especially in terms of multiple accounts. That statement right there makes me think you are a side for the strodel.
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
March 27, 2013 at 6:32 am
NO-ONE knows what happened before the BIG BANG, not even Stephen Hawking!!!
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
March 27, 2013 at 6:33 am
(March 27, 2013 at 6:00 am)Mr Infidel Wrote: (March 27, 2013 at 5:58 am)ciko83 Wrote: but that woud be illogical, do you know why, beacuse science has confirmed that universe has begining,big bang, and if you have begining it is created.
You are also missing the logical question in relation to what created god? God is not the answer simply because science has yet to reach the answer to how everything was created.
nothing created God, God is uncreated, if he was crated he would not be God , he would be a creation.
Let say that God was crated, then you would ask me, but who created the creator of God, lets continue,
then you would ask me who crated the creator of God, grandfather of God....you would continue ask me these question in eternity, no end, that is illogical, so we need an uncaused cause for the creation of universe.
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