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Non-religious evidence for existence of God
RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
I'd rather have a talking snake, than talking shoes.

It would be interesting to get the snake's perspective on current events, agriculture and the like.
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
(March 27, 2013 at 11:33 am)paulpablo Wrote: What were the islamic books based on?

quran and prophet Muhammed hadith

Quote:That's the problem with your 'prophecies'
They are no specific enough, and they are so vague that that can be attributed to too much.

let see

It is narrated by Sayyiduna Abdullah bin Umar that the Holy Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) said:

When the belly of Makkah will be cleft open and through it will be dug out river-like passages (i.e. tunnels) and the buildings of the Holy City of Makkah will rise higher than its mountains, when you observe these signs, then understand that the time of trial(Judgment day) is near at hand.”

in 19th century no tall building in Mekka
[Image: mecca-city-old-mecca-saudi-arabia+1152_1...-28456.jpg]

how does it look now
[Image: makkah-city-clocktower1.jpg]

[Image: dokaaeua3.jpg]

what is this then is this vague also Thinking

how could muhammed know that building will be higher than Mountains?
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
I don't know that he did know that.
The problem with that specific prophecy is that it's something anybody can fulfill, themself. It's not an act of God, or anything special. It's not even the tallest building in existence.
So, it's not something I would attribute to a prophecy coming true: more that people have tried to fulfill it, to make it seem legitimate.

I can actually take a closer look, and it says
Quote:the buildings
Plural. In that picture, I see only one tall building.
(March 30, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Never read anything immoral in the Qur'an.
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
(March 27, 2013 at 1:00 pm)ciko83 Wrote: When the belly of Makkah will be cleft open and through it will be dug out river-like passages (i.e. tunnels) and the buildings of the Holy City of Makkah will rise higher than its mountains, when you observe these signs, then understand that the time of trial(Judgment day) is near at hand.”

Yeah, and Jesus was supposed to be coming "soon".

Revelation 22:20
He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.”

Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

What does "near at hand" mean? A thousand years? (Jesus has already had two. Must have forgot to set the alarm)

(March 27, 2013 at 6:05 am)LastPoet Wrote: We have ourselves a muslim strodel, YIKES!
From what I've skimmed through, it looks like he is even worse than that...
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
(March 27, 2013 at 1:00 pm)ciko83 Wrote: how could muhammed know that building will be higher than Mountains?

That's easy: he knew that people would make it happen if he said it would happen. In addition, it's not much of a prophecy. Might as well have prophecy that we'll send a man to Mars one day.

And, it's a brilliant scam, too, because the Muslim could have claimed that "you don't know it won't happen" until the day it finally did.
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
(March 27, 2013 at 3:57 pm)Ryantology Wrote:
(March 27, 2013 at 1:00 pm)ciko83 Wrote: how could muhammed know that building will be higher than Mountains?

That's easy: he knew that people would make it happen if he said it would happen. In addition, it's not much of a prophecy. Might as well have prophecy that we'll send a man to Mars one day.

And, it's a brilliant scam, too, because the Muslim could have claimed that "you don't know it won't happen" until the day it finally did.

The kudos is for your sig. EPIC!!!
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." -Einstein
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
(March 27, 2013 at 4:01 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote: The kudos is for your sig. EPIC!!!

Fucking seconded! Big Grin

After seeing that I feel much more justified about arguing that you're god in another thread! Tongue
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
And even being generous, the standard shouldn't be this prophecy or that prophecy coming true. The standard for a Holy Book is EVERYTHING should be true. So, if we find one thing not true, we know the book is the work of humans and not divine.

I like this one:

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted--proceedings from between the backbone and the ribs." (Surah 86:5-7)

Allah wasn't so good on his human anatomy, which is odd considering he's a god and all.

None of the explanations make a whit of sense. Not that it matter to them.
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
(March 27, 2013 at 4:25 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(March 27, 2013 at 4:01 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote: The kudos is for your sig. EPIC!!!

Fucking seconded! Big Grin

After seeing that I feel much more justified about arguing that you're god in another thread! Tongue

Verily shall thy rewards be great in the next world, My son.
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RE: Non-religious evidence for existence of God
This topic could have been more accurately titled "Nonsensical evidence for existence of God."
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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