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Religion/god is just wishful thinking.
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Religion/god is just wishful thinking.
IMO, these theists, deists and pagans alike know well, especially the apologies, that religion, the belief in a god/s is farfetched but, they wish it wasn't so. It is obvious from their efforts debating their claim of god/s and religion, the emotional responses of why it "should" be true though, they can not provide any proof. It is more than filling a void and having some kind of moral ground and meaning to life but, rather their ambition to live beyond the grave. All religious people, I believe, have this great fear of death. The idea of a finite life scares the bejesus out of them and they refuse to accept it. Because of this life threatened issue that they have, they make it their priority to cling to this idea of god/s and the religions they create around said idea to give them hope, hope of a happy ever after, never ending life.
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RE: Religion/god is just wishful thinking.
Some may be that way, many including myself knows without doubts that the God of the Bible is real. Because you can't get your head around what we actually know is not our fault, nor is it our responsibility to make you change your mind. We received our knowledge of God from God, you can have the same knowledge, all that's needed is to ask God.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Religion/god is just wishful thinking.
(April 15, 2013 at 8:51 pm)Godschild Wrote: Some may be that way, many including myself knows without doubts that the God of the Bible is real. Because you can't get your head around what we actually know is not our fault, nor is it our responsibility to make you change your mind. We received our knowledge of God from God, you can have the same knowledge, all that's needed is to ask God.

Dont you mean " what we actually believe"?
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RE: Religion/god is just wishful thinking.
Quote:Some may be that way, many including myself knows without doubts that the God of the Bible is real.

Totally deluded, G-C. The universe is going to get along fine without you after you die. Deal with it.
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RE: Religion/god is just wishful thinking.
I don't see anything wrong with wishful thinking. Religious people are deluded when they think gays can be fixed, not when they want to live forever. I assume most people want some sort of permanence to their existence. I'm not going to fault them for that.
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RE: Religion/god is just wishful thinking.
(April 15, 2013 at 8:51 pm)Godschild Wrote: ...We received our knowledge of God from God, you can have the same knowledge, all that's needed is to ask God.

The circularity. It's... it's too perfect!!!
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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RE: Religion/god is just wishful thinking.
(April 15, 2013 at 9:03 pm)Brayton.l Wrote:
(April 15, 2013 at 8:51 pm)Godschild Wrote: Some may be that way, many including myself knows without doubts that the God of the Bible is real. Because you can't get your head around what we actually know is not our fault, nor is it our responsibility to make you change your mind. We received our knowledge of God from God, you can have the same knowledge, all that's needed is to ask God.

Dont you mean " what we actually believe"?

I said know on purpose, they're a multitude of Christians who know God, He's revealed Himself to us because we have searched in belief for His revelations about who He is. Just as you know you're a living person, we know God is a living being.

(April 15, 2013 at 11:52 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:
(April 15, 2013 at 8:51 pm)Godschild Wrote: ...We received our knowledge of God from God, you can have the same knowledge, all that's needed is to ask God.

The circularity. It's... it's too perfect!!!

Oh, then I suppose that scientist do not receive knowledge from the subject they study, seems I heard from them that they do, is this circular too. How about an autobiography, when someone explains to others who they are, that's circular as well, shucks I guess it's back to the drawing board.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Religion/god is just wishful thinking.
(April 16, 2013 at 1:25 am)Godschild Wrote: I said know on purpose, they're a multitude of Christians who know God, He's revealed Himself to us because we have searched in belief for His revelations about who He is. Just as you know you're a living person, we know God is a living being.

So, if you believe god exists, then god exists? Wow.

Quote:Oh, then I suppose that scientist do not receive knowledge from the subject they study, seems I heard from them that they do, is this circular too. How about an autobiography, when someone explains to others who they are, that's circular as well, shucks I guess it's back to the drawing board.

The difference is that when I go to study science, I can actually demonstrate the reality of the scientific method. And if my hypothesis yields no results, I don't continue to claim that it's true.

As for autobiographies... I don't really need to demonstrate that I exist if I'm writing one, do I? This is all hideously malformed.
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RE: Religion/god is just wishful thinking.
Godschild Wrote:Oh, then I suppose that scientist do not receive knowledge from the subject they study, seems I heard from them that they do, is this circular too.

Nope. They don't need to presuppose their subject exists in order to study it and then confirm they can know about it because it exists. Science deals with the world that evidently exists.

Quote:How about an autobiography, when someone explains to others who they are, that's circular as well, shucks I guess it's back to the drawing board.

Nope. Same reason as above.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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RE: Religion/god is just wishful thinking.
(April 16, 2013 at 1:25 am)Godschild Wrote: I said know on purpose, they're a multitude of Christians who know God, He's revealed Himself to us because we have searched in belief for His revelations about who He is. Just as you know you're a living person, we know God is a living being.

Esquilax Wrote:So, if you believe god exists, then god exists? Wow.

We know God exists in belief, we learn who He is from revelation, through His word or from Him. Are you so thick headed that you can not understand this, and you make fun of me. Wow.

GC Wrote:Oh, then I suppose that scientist do not receive knowledge from the subject they study, seems I heard from them that they do, is this circular too. How about an autobiography, when someone explains to others who they are, that's circular as well, shucks I guess it's back to the drawing board.

Esquilax Wrote:The difference is that when I go to study science, I can actually demonstrate the reality of the scientific method. And if my hypothesis yields no results, I don't continue to claim that it's true.

I did not say anything about you or anyone else studying science, so stop trying to turn the discussion in another direction please. Subject= thing being studied such as an animal, tree, rock, atom or what ever. See above bold.

Esquilax Wrote:As for autobiographies... I don't really need to demonstrate that I exist if I'm writing one, do I? This is all hideously malformed.

I never referred to a person who's written an autobiography as trying to teach existence, existence is assumed. I said that the person is telling others who he is. What is hideously malformed is your thought process, thinking you can turn around what I've stated into what you want it to read.

(April 16, 2013 at 2:57 am)FallentoReason Wrote:
Godschild Wrote:Oh, then I suppose that scientist do not receive knowledge from the subject they study, seems I heard from them that they do, is this circular too.

Nope. They don't need to presuppose their subject exists in order to study it and then confirm they can know about it because it exists. Science deals with the world that evidently exists.

Quote:How about an autobiography, when someone explains to others who they are, that's circular as well, shucks I guess it's back to the drawing board.

Nope. Same reason as above.

I did not say anything about existence that is assumed, I said received knowledge from to learn about what the thing might be or how it functions. You seem to have the same problem Esquilax does.
As for those scientist they presupposed dark matter exists in order to study it, as a matter of fact they still do, presuppose dark matter.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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