Show me your definition of GOD(s).

[Whateverist]

Ivan Panin and his mathimatical numeric patterns found in the oldest manuscripts of the Hebrew OT + Greek NT prove the Bible to be the work of God . This in itself is irrefutable evidence of the original scriptures being divine. This trully amazeing, astounding discovery can not be simply over-looked or left out of any theist/atheist debate ?

I think ye jest sir. Whoever Ivan Panin may be and whatever numeric patterns he may have found, how can that have any bearing on anything in the bible let alone prove its authenticity?

[goodnews]

Ivan Panin like yourself was a agnostic nihilist / atheist before he discoverd these numeric patterns in the original OT +NT texts ,He spent 50 years hand penning 43.000 pages of analysis. To date no one has bean able to take up his challenge to discredit this work , prehaps you can be the first ? If you research this impartially you will find that I jest not !

[Tonus]

He spent 50 years hand penning 43.000 pages of analysis. To date no one has bean able to take up his challenge to discredit this work

So no one has been willing to read through 43,000 pages of handwriting from some lunatic who spent 50 years making up math games using the Bible? You could knock me over with a feather.

[Neo-Scholastic]

...he discoverd these numeric patterns in the original OT +NT texts ,He spent 50 years hand penning 43.000 pages of analysis.

Since the process he used required exhaustive and time-consuming effort, he confined his analysis to holy texts. If he had had access to modern computing, he would have discovered that the process also works when applied to secular texts.

Plus it in not a convincing apologetic, given that it relies on knowledge of ancient Greek and specific versions of the scriptures. Also, the possibility validity of variant texts would negate his results.

[goodnews]

Ok as you are biased or afraid of any impartial research of your own ? Genesis 1:1 the very first verse in Hebrew has 7 words 28 letters in all 4x7=28 the sentance divides into two parts first and second 3 words contain 14 letters 2x7=14 2x7=14=28 the second halfe divides into 2 equal halves "the heavens" x 7 letters "the earth" x 7 letters , the nouns GOD, Heaven, Earth = 14 letters 2x7=14 the numeric value of these 3 words is 777 111x7=777 etc: there are 14 features {of this particular type} of 7 in this verse of a total of 41 independant features, the mathematical formula to calculate this is 1 in 7.143 so it being a fluke is not an option and Moses did not have a computer, but a team of professors did and they could not duplicate anything near it even when they had a choice of every other language. I understand you being an atheist this is not good news, even so called Christians hate the Words of God , so I expect you to discredit this as it does include the Bible, but truth be told Gods got us all exactly where He wants us weather you like it or not .

[Darkstar]

Ok as you are biased or afraid of any impartial research of your own ? Genesis 1:1 the very first verse in Hebrew has 7 words 28 letters in all 4x7=28 the sentance divides into two parts first and second 3 words contain 14 letters 2x7=14 2x7=14=28 the second halfe divides into 2 equal halves "the heavens" x 7 letters "the earth" x 7 letters , the nouns GOD, Heaven, Earth = 14 letters 2x7=14 the numeric value of these 3 words is 777 111x7=777 etc: there are 14 features {of this particular type} of 7 in this verse of a total of 41 independant features, the mathematical formula to calculate this is 1 in 7.143 so it being a fluke is not an option and Moses did not have a computer, but a team of professors did and they could not duplicate anything near it even when they had a choice of every other language. I understand you being an atheist this is not good news, even so called Christians hate the Words of God , so I expect you to discredit this as it does include the Bible, but truth be told Gods got us all exactly where He wants us weather you like it or not .

You should see this thread: http://atheistforums.org/thread-18424.html

Now tell us why your magic numbers are better than theirs. You can find magic numerical coincidences in just about anything if you really try, and as ChadWooters said, if the numbers only work in certain translations you have an even more serious problem on your hands.

[goodnews]

Oh really, if its so easy, how come no one has yet to duplicate it then ??? What part of origional texts did you not understand ?? Why would one need a knowledge of ancient Greek when the letters had there own designated numbers ??? what versions do you speek of , last I checked theres only two Hebrew and Greek unless you are the only person on the planet to posses an Aramaic copy ?? His results stand undesputed todate ?? Your magic numbers ? what foolishness these numeric patterns are those of Mr Palin {RIP} taken from a copy of a Book written thousands of years ago, and what part of original texts did you not understand ?? What have translations got to do with it ?? Your arguments are ineffectual

[Tex]

I do not subscribe to Kabbalah. The whole thing is a rorschach test. For example, each letter in Hebrew corresponds to a number (like if a=1, b=2). I forget the actual numbers, but if we multiply the Hebrew numbers that make the word "serpent" together and compare them to the multiplied value of the numbers in "messiah", they are exactly the same. Therefore, Jesus is Satan.

This isn't just weird and contradictory to scripture, it's just really, really stupid.

[goodnews]

Who said anything about the Kabbalah, these numeric patterns cannot be so easily explained away, therefor to dissmiss them is not logical, the deeper meaning of these anomalies has no bearing on the fact that no earthly men could not have written the Bible, besides Genesis was written long before the Isrealites absorbed Babylonial sorcery into there religion , so giveing any credit to the Kabbalah is heresy, not to mention calling evil good ??? , however the Isrealites whilst in the wilderness, did raise up a snake on a stake,and by faith that only by looking at it, where saved from death, much like the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross ps: Have you ever considerd why God put both good and evil into the Tree of Knowledge, then put it in the centre of the garden and makeing it most pleasing to the eye then put a delicious fruit on it ???

[Tex]

Look up "Rorschach Test". This is your numbers.

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And God did not put good and evil into the tree of knowledge. The correct question is "why was this in the garden?" and that is not answered with "some numbers tell me that God wants us to sin".