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RE: Show me your definition of GOD(s).
April 28, 2013 at 5:36 pm
(April 24, 2013 at 10:54 pm)whateverist Wrote: We have some new Muslim posters now so maybe one of you can help me out here. I'm trying hard to understand what these gods are that you all are always going on about. I've asked before but have never received a good enough definition for me to know how to answer the question of belief in gods.
Please tell me exactly what would count as a god. If you say that God is whatever the prophet or Koran or Bible says it is, you will not have helped me in any way. I'd be happy to hear your particular tradition's claims once I understand what are the defining attributes of a god or God.
Recently one of our Christians explained that God was everything. He said something like: it isn't a question of whether or not God exists because God just is existence. Again, not helpful.
So Dawud can you tell me what we're dealing with here? What are 'gods'?
According to Genesis a god need only know the difference between good and evil and live forever -- tale of the two trees.
Is a god required to know it is a god? Must it have any self-awareness at all?
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RE: Show me your definition of GOD(s).
April 28, 2013 at 5:36 pm
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(April 28, 2013 at 5:28 pm)goodnews Wrote: Oh how you dig yourself deeper "Bible code" these are your words ? " numeric codes" your words again ? If you go back and read my posts you will see that I was quiet simply drawing attention to the fact that there are a patterns of sevens in Genesis 1:1 that had to be by divine design as the chance it is a fluke are {one in 7.143} END OF I was in no way implying mysterious secret codes, THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE IMPLIED . Now be a good righteous man and admit your folly Your divine Genesis also says that earth was created before sun and stars. And that's just one of many false statements in it.
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RE: Show me your definition of GOD(s).
April 28, 2013 at 5:38 pm
(April 25, 2013 at 12:40 am)Gearbreak Wrote: I don't have one. God is whatever god is.
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RE: Show me your definition of GOD(s).
April 28, 2013 at 5:38 pm
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(April 28, 2013 at 5:28 pm)goodnews Wrote: Oh how you dig yourself deeper "Bible code" these are your words ? " numeric codes" your words again ? If you go back and read my posts you will see that I was quiet simply drawing attention to the fact that there are a patterns of sevens in Genesis 1:1 that had to be by divine design as the chance it is a fluke are {one in 7.143} END OF I was in no way implying mysterious secret codes, THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE IMPLIED . Now be a good righteous man and admit your folly (April 28, 2013 at 11:14 am)goodnews Wrote: Ivan Panin like yourself was a agnostic nihilist / atheist before he discoverd these numeric patterns in the original OT +NT texts ,He spent 50 years hand penning 43.000 pages of analysis. To date no one has bean able to take up his challenge to discredit this work , prehaps you can be the first ? If you research this impartially you will find that I jest not ! Numeric patterns, numeric codes...what's the difference? I suppose it would be that numeric patterns do not necessarily have any meaning, whereas codes would. So your numeric patterns have no meaning, then? It is by no means impossible to create a pattern in something that wasn't intended. And even if your patterns had any validity at all, 1 in 7.143 (I won't ask where you got that probability from) is almost 14%, which is far from statistically significant. And what about the "divine" patterns in the Qur'an that you keep ignoring?
EDIT: I assumed you meant code because two others recently claimed there was some sort of bible code. Sorry for the confusion.
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RE: Show me your definition of GOD(s).
April 28, 2013 at 5:40 pm
While I hate to cut and paste from elsewhere...
Miracles in Edgar Allan Poe
The following example is an expansion of one first presented on USENET by Charles Culver of Computers for Christ.
For this example, we will use numerical values for English letters assigned using the same pattern as used for Arabic, Greek and Hebrew.
A=1 B=2 C=3 D=4 E=5 F=6 G=7 H=8 I=9
J=10 K=20 L=30 M=40 N=50 O=60 P=70 Q=80 R=90
S=100 T=200 U=300 V=400 W=500 X=600 Y=700 Z=800
We will analyse the famous first line of Poe's classic poem "The Raven":
Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary
There are 7x7 letters.
The first and last words sum to 202x7, of which the first letters contribute 80x7.
The consonants in words starting with a consonant sum to 537x7.
The consonants in words ending with a consonant sum to 485x7, of which 192x7 comes from the odd length words and 293x7 from the even length words.
The consonants in words 2,4,6,8,10 sum to 177x7.
There are 7 words ending with consonants.
There are 3x7 consonants in words of even length.
Considering words 1,3,5,7,9,11:
There are 3x7 letters.
The even (2,4,6..) letters in each word total 138x7.
The last letters of each word total 205x7.
The first and last letters of each word total 51x7x7.
Considering the verb "pondered":
The first letter has value 10x7.
The vowels have total value 10x7.
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RE: Show me your definition of GOD(s).
April 28, 2013 at 5:45 pm
(April 26, 2013 at 3:48 pm)Tex Wrote: God: First Causer, Non-Contingent Being.
Who told you that and why did you believe them?
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RE: Show me your definition of GOD(s).
April 28, 2013 at 5:49 pm
(April 28, 2013 at 4:17 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I would say that the odds are that something material happened, probably something to do with "quantum". First, anything remotely connected with quatum mechanics cannot be properly classified as "material". Quantum phenomena are represented as probabilities, which are not material properties.
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RE: Show me your definition of GOD(s).
April 28, 2013 at 5:50 pm
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(April 27, 2013 at 6:38 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: (April 24, 2013 at 10:54 pm)whateverist Wrote: Recently one of our Christians explained that God was everything.
God must be complete since by definition ...
The question was what is the definition.
(April 27, 2013 at 9:34 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: You are a finite being. You lack the fullness that is God. As a finite being your incompleteness makes you less that perfect. That is what it means to be a sinner. But that does not in itself make you unrighteous. You can be righteous within the limits of your own finitude. John 15:5 among others supports the idea that you are in God and He is in you.
Bull! I'll go head to head with any god you get to logon and show you who is finite!
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RE: Show me your definition of GOD(s).
April 28, 2013 at 5:53 pm
(April 28, 2013 at 5:36 pm)A_Nony_Mouse Wrote: According to Genesis a god need only know the difference between good and evil and live forever -- tale of the two trees.
Is a god required to know it is a god? Must it have any self-awareness at all?
God only knows whether god even knows what 'he' is. You'd think one of us would know since most likely it was an idea first conceived by a human.
I think I'll just have to leave the asterisk affixed to 'god(s)'*. Whatever it may mean, don't any one ask me if I believe in this black box thingy. I have no idea what we are even talking about.
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RE: Show me your definition of GOD(s).
April 28, 2013 at 5:55 pm
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(April 28, 2013 at 4:08 am)goodnews Wrote: Ivan Panin and his mathimatical numeric patterns found in the oldest manuscripts of the Hebrew OT + Greek NT prove the Bible to be the work of God . This in itself is irrefutable evidence of the original scriptures being divine. This trully amazeing, astounding discovery can not be simply over-looked or left out of any theist/atheist debate ?
Using the same methods the opening lines of Microsoft End User Licensing Agreement was found in Genesis. It is amazing what you can do with numbers when you have computers.
(April 28, 2013 at 11:14 am)goodnews Wrote: Ivan Panin like yourself was a agnostic nihilist / atheist before he discoverd these numeric patterns in the original OT +NT texts ,He spent 50 years hand penning 43.000 pages of analysis. To date no one has bean able to take up his challenge to discredit this work , prehaps you can be the first ? If you research this impartially you will find that I jest not !
What a waste of a life.
(April 28, 2013 at 2:05 pm)goodnews Wrote: ... Moses did not have a computer ...
Neither did he exist.
(April 28, 2013 at 3:13 pm)goodnews Wrote: Oh really, if its so easy, how come no one has yet to duplicate it then ???
Who told you no one has duplicated it and why did you believe them? I mentioned the Microsoft EULA. That is just the one I remember of a half dozen modern and completely unrelated things found in Genesis.
The bible is like a sewer. What you get out of it depends upon what you put into it.
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