The Illuminati

[Brian37]

Sorry, introduce conspiracy crap to intelligent people and you wont have it taken seriously. To us it is like asking "What do you think of the "Tooth Fairy theory of dental care".

[Love]

You've detected it very accurately, but it probably has less to do with npd than your mentioning black magic and mind control (what do you think condescension has to do with npd anyway, ffs.... ).

From what I've read on the subject of NPD, haughty, arrogant and condescending behaviours are an integral part of the disorder (along with pathological envy).

Illuminati Existence

Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucian...ti_section

Also, download THIS zip file and take a look at the PDF files.

This is a small piece of evidence, and I have been researching this topic for a long time. I am of the opinion that people should get off their ass and do their own research, so if you are genuinely interested in the topic, make the effort to perform your own research.

Parapsychology

Contrary to what many people believe, there is actually a great deal of peer reviewed academic literature in the discipline of parapsychology, such as the "Journal of Parapsychology", for example. Psychokinesis, telepathy, OBE, ESP and astral projection are very real, and this is confirmed by the fact that the United States military take parapsychology very seriously. The former USSR military also took this research area very seriously.

Black Magic & The Supernatural

I will provide some information on this tomorrow because it is time for bed now. Nighty night.

[Jackalope]

The Illuminati IS real and I can assure you that they practice esoteric, occultic and Luciferian black magic; they are also deeply involved in parapsychology (telepathy, psychokinesis, astral projection and remote viewing, for example) and mind control.

Do you really wonder why people laugh? Really? REALLY?

You might have more luck asserting that some shadowy secret organization practices such things, if you could demonstrate that they exist in the first place. Those things, that is. Oh, and the shadowy secret organization.

In other words, it doesn't just smell like bullshit, it smells like *complete* bullshit.

According to some estimates, approximately 3% of the United States population is a member of this bizarre clandestine cult.

Yet, it's all a huge secret conspiracy.

[The Grand Nudger]

From what I've read on the subject of NPD, haughty, arrogant and condescending behaviours are an integral part of the disorder (along with pathological envy).

That would be one specific form that the disorder takes when it's associated with a few other choice behaviours. At it's core, npd is the creation and maintenance of a "false self"or "splitting", the theory being that this is undertaken due to a deeply held conviction that some part of ones self is unacceptable to others - and so you put on the airs, project what you wish to be, or what you wish others to see you as, insistently demanding that they do so even if that appraisal is not warranted- while simultaneously distancing one's self from those things which are seen as less desirable. The ideal self and the actual self become confused - and the person with the disorder may begin to lose a grip on which was which to begin with. Amusingly, despite any outward haughtiness and a potential for decreased empathy, people with npd are extremely sensitive - and this is a large portion of what leads to the disorder. The behaviors you see outwardly are an expression of a defense mechanism, they are not the disorder itself. Whatever behaviors are successful in that regard and associated with the ideal self (and this is very specific to the person, don't you think?) are those expressed. My ideal self isn't condescending, even when it's called for - but I often am. Now, my experience with the disorder is not typical (if we want to use the word) and perhaps that's because the onset doesn't appear to have happened in childhood for me, as it is thought to happen in most. Once upon a time, I really wanted something - and I suppose I got it.

Now that we've had a sitdown at the chair, I get to remind you that you detected condescension because you made a statement that deserved it, not because of any quirk of mine. You see, the internet is this wonderful place where I don't have to project any particular self, I don't have my actual self to contend with or devalue as none of you ever have any chance of experiencing it. Here, I just get to be me.

Illuminati Existence

Read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucian...ti_section

Also, download THIS zip file and take a look at the PDF files.

This is a small piece of evidence, and I have been researching this topic for a long time. I am of the opinion that people should get off their ass and do their own research, so if you are genuinely interested in the topic, make the effort to perform your own research.

Looks like a sad ripoff of the GD, like OTO. What do you think this establishes, does it serve some purpose in demonstrating the validity of any of your claims about any "illuminati"? Tell you what, if you can highlight key points..you know, civilized discussion, and they seem to bear note or interest, I'll dive in, deal? You never know, I might surprise you with how deeply I have already dove into rosicrucian nonsense.

Contrary to what many people believe, there is actually a great deal of peer reviewed academic literature in the discipline of parapsychology

Sure is, detailing just how unproductive research into the area was, and how ineffective all of the proposed abilities turned out to be - but by all means, continue....

, such as the "Journal for Parapsychology", for example.

GIGO

Psychokinesis, telepathy, OBE, ESP and astral projection are very real,

No, they aren't.

and this is confirmed by the fact that the United States military take parapsychology very seriously. The former USSR military also took this research area very seriously.

No, it isn't, and no, they don't. They did, once, and that's largely why they don't give a shit about it anymore - as before, unproductive - ineffective. People stopped giving a shit about spoonbenders long ago Love. These projects were all abandoned. We look into things that don;t pan out. Looking into something does not establish it's existence, or add credibility to a claim. Perhaps if we were having this conversation in 1978 you could claim that our military was looking into para-psi, but very seriously? No, not even by a long stretch. In 1978 they were looking into jet propulsion, new rounds and rifles, and new body armor "very seriously" -para sci, for example was a cranks pet project one year out from the start of a rolling series of cancellations due to a complete and abject failure to produce any results. Some portions of other para sci projects managed to hobble along like cripples until they too were abandoned for precisely the same reasons. When the first bell tolled on one para sci project it began ringing in every other. One of the larger and more pimped out projects that people so inclined like to point at garnered a -whopping- 20mil in funding. Thats less than lunch money to these people Love. So no, frankly, they were never all that serious - but if it had shown promise...might have been a different story.

Black Magic & The Supernatural

I will provide some information on this tomorrow because it is time for bed now. Nighty night.

Good luck when you get around to that.

[The Grand Nudger]

Before I forget to mention this, re the above. Theres a hefty sum of money in it for you if you can demonstrate or produce anyone who can demonstrate any of the abilities listed above. I suspect that you'll do the courteous thing and cut me in on the check as a sort of finders fee when you go to collect your prize? 1mil and change, last I heard.

[Neo-Scholastic]

I okay with some very subtle forms of Psi phenomena, could be something there, maybe. Not that it matters that much to me. But worldwide conspiracy? I find that highly unlikely. Every large organization eventually gets weighted down by its own bureaucracy and internal politics. That's true of everything from governments, corporations, and even large charities. They just become less and less effective at large scales. Why should worldwide secret societies be any different? Besides most of the people I've met that flirt with the occult and satanism tend to be pretty unbalanced and not the most ambitious types.

[The Grand Nudger]

A "little" para psi phenomena is more miraculous by orders of magnitude than any conspiracy, no matter how vast. Largely because we know, at least, that conspiracies can exist- that they are possible. Scale up a little lie and you can get a nice sized conspiracy. Scaling up all evidence for para psi of any kind as a definitive and existent phenomena yields a sum total of -0-. Not only have we never been able to detect this stuff - we don;t even have any idea as to how -it might- work- no mechanism for a phenomena never observed. That's the deathknell, the double whammy.... That's why it's so fertile a field for imaginative people.

[Neo-Scholastic]

Scale up a little lie and you can get a nice sized conspiracy. Scaling up all evidence for para psi of any kind as a definitive and existent phenomena yields a sum total of -0-.

A lot has changed in the last 10 years. It may be worth a second look on your part.

[The Grand Nudger]

You could just clue me in, you know, eradicate the air of mystery. Random number generator experiments aren't all that impressive to me - just mentioning that at the outset. Has someone made magic happen? I'd be thrilled if this were so.

[Rhizomorph13]

* Rhizomorph13 Sprinkles brick dust across all his thresholds.

Ish nu arla, ptunk wagl nagl ftagn!

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It is time, Lord
From the dry dust
Out of these chains
From the Devil's house

It is time, Lord
To take me
From the dry dust
Break me
From these chains
Bring me
From the Devil's house

Take me out of darkness
Walk me out of blindness
Lift me out of sadness
Save me from my damned-ness

Please, Lord

It is time, Lord

Oh, and Fnord.