Atheism, what led you?

[TosinAsLeader]

Whether your an atheist or agnostic etc, what led you to what you believe in today? Also, why do you believe in what you believe in?

I see you are a Tosin Abasi fan. Cool.

I am an agnostic atheist.

I do not claim to know, with absolute certainty, that a god does not exist. Thus, I am agnostic.

I disbelieve that a god exists. Thus, I am an atheist.

My atheism is an outgrowth of my skepticism. When I apply the same level of critical thinking and scrutiny to the god claim as to other supernatural claims, there is no justification to believe it.

Yes! Hes my favorite guitarist.

I just want to know where the, "there is no evidence of God," is coming from? I asked this question, on this forum, hoping to get a reasonable answer. Maybe he isn't loving, but a asshole instead. Still, I want some answers.

[Tonus]

I just want to know where the, "there is no evidence of God," is coming from?

It's coming from the lack of evidence, I presume.

[TosinAsLeader]

How many times must we answer the same question?
It feels like every month there's a new guy asking this same thing!

OT: Born that way, despite what people around me said, I never bought into the story.... eventually, became convinced they were all wrong, then I found there was a name for someone like me, so I didn't feel so alone in my clarity of mind.

I apologize, I should have read the first 3 pages or so. What made you convinced?

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I just want to know where the, "there is no evidence of God," is coming from?

It's coming from the lack of evidence, I presume.

What is the lack of evidence? Or is it the lack of knowledge?

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Yes I believe in one God, but why do you believe that anything supernatural is fictional?

Well, I wouldn't put it quite like that. Everything supernatural that any person has ever put forward seems to be pure fabrication, however, our knowledge of something isn't necessary for it to exist, so I would say that I don't believe in anything supernatural, not that I think that anything supernatural is fictional. I see a slight difference.

Anyway, I don't believe in anything supernatural, because there is absolutely no reason or evidence to make me believe otherwise. I'm not saying that supernatural things definitely don't exist, because I couldn't be 100% sure of such a thing, but I don't believe in any of it. I don't know if I've been very clear here... I'm pretty high, so I'm gonna have to check back here tomorrow to see if anything I wrote is readable.

My gosh lol, well I'm still not getting an answer. What is the lack of evidence? Seeing a God?

[Joel]

What is the lack of evidence?

A better question would be "Where is the evidence?"

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hat is the lack of evidence? Seeing a God?

Seeing a God may make me believe he exists; but doesn't justify worshipping him. He's still done atrocious, reprehensible things.

[TosinAsLeader]

What is the lack of evidence?

A better question would be "Where is the evidence?"

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hat is the lack of evidence? Seeing a God?

Seeing a God may make me believe he exists; but doesn't justify worshipping him. He's still done atrocious, reprehensible things.

Who created the stars, planets and creatures? Did they all just appear? From what? If from nothing, than how can nothing be created from nothing?

Clarify, what things?

[Joel]

A better question would be "Where is the evidence?"

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Seeing a God may make me believe he exists; but doesn't justify worshipping him. He's still done atrocious, reprehensible things.

Who created the stars, planets and creatures? Did they all just appear? From what? If from nothing, than how can nothing be created from nothing?

Clarify, what things?

Nobody created them. They formed over millions-billions of years after the big bang.
Watch Lawrence Krauss' something from nothing lecture.

Have you read the bible?

[Silver]

Who created the stars, planets and creatures? Did they all just appear? From what? If from nothing, than how can nothing be created from nothing?

It seems to be understood by science that the universe has always been. At least that is the widely accepted theory until science can verify that it is more than a theory or that there is something else behind the existence of the universe.

If you cannot understand that the universe has always been with no creator behind its existence, imagine how an atheist feels in relation to God having always existed with there being nothing behind the creation of His existence.

Just because science does not have the perfect answer does not mean that the only available solution is a deity.

[Tonus]

Who created the stars, planets and creatures? Did they all just appear? From what? If from nothing, than how can nothing be created from nothing?

That only works if you stop asking the question before you get to "god." Otherwise you have to figure out the origins of god. Did he appear from nothing? Was he always there? Was he created by another creator? And who created that creator?

In any case, I don't think that "how did it all get here" qualifies as evidence that points to god. Early man ascribed a lot of things to god and devils that we now understand are caused by pathogens, or atmospheric conditions. As we learn more about our world and our universe, the amount of evidence for god dwindles. Couldn't that be evidence that he doesn't exist?

[TosinAsLeader]

Nobody created them. They formed over millions-billions of years after the big bang.
Watch Lawrence Krauss' something from nothing lecture.

Have you read the bible?

Which video? There are quite a few.

Yes and reading it literally would be rejecting its' actual meaning. If it isn't to much, can you provide a example?

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Who created the stars, planets and creatures? Did they all just appear? From what? If from nothing, than how can nothing be created from nothing?

It seems to be understood by science that the universe has always been. At least that is the widely accepted theory until science can verify that it is more than a theory or that there is something else behind the existence of the universe.

If you cannot understand that the universe has always been with no creator behind its existence, imagine how an atheist feels in relation to God having always existed with there being nothing behind the creation of His existence.

Just because science does not have the perfect answer does not mean that the only available solution is a deity.

What science shows that the universe has never been without a creator? I'm asking out of more understanding.

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Who created the stars, planets and creatures? Did they all just appear? From what? If from nothing, than how can nothing be created from nothing?

Clarify, what things?

Nobody created them. They formed over millions-billions of years after the big bang.
Watch Lawrence Krauss' something from nothing lecture.

Have you read the bible?

There are quite a few videos on youtube. WHich one?

Yes I have. Can you provide a example.

[pocaracas]

How many times must we answer the same question?
It feels like every month there's a new guy asking this same thing!

OT: Born that way, despite what people around me said, I never bought into the story.... eventually, became convinced they were all wrong, then I found there was a name for someone like me, so I didn't feel so alone in my clarity of mind.

I apologize, I should have read the first 3 pages or so. What made you convinced?

A silly thing, at first, but it was enough.
I heard a news on the radio, when I was 10. It was about having footage of some event in a remote village in China... And I remember thinking something like "man, they have cameras everywhere, nowadays" (this was over 20 years ago, so you can imagine how this sort of reasoning can be even more applied today.
Anyway, cameras everywhere... and then "puf".... you know what else is supposed to be everywhere? this god thing they people about. How come no camera has yet captured it? something's not right...
I thought I was the only person in the world on to this thing of "god not being there", so I kept quiet...
Then I learned about evolution and that contradicted genesis.
I learned there was a name for people like me, atheists.... and that we're about 20% of the world's population.... that's was a bit of a relief...
Then I learned about other religions and couldn't come up with a way to make sense of that fact, unless they were all man-made... and here I am, still under that distinct impression that all religions are man-made, even if the people making them up are truly convinced of what they claim... but that don't make it so, does it?
Then I learned a bit about psychology and how the brain can work to make you think something is true, when it isn't...
All religious experiences got automatically relegated to psychological experiences, self-delusion, etc...

And no one has managed to show me that it's not all in their minds. That this god thing is out there, like they claim in their holy books.
I await for this god thing to present itself to me like they claim it presents itself to people in their holy books... I await, like I hear a lot of other people awaiting.... and never getting anything. Makes it seem like they just made it up, huh?

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You reply was missing on the page, there, so here's a quote of it!

Which video? There are quite a few.

Yes and reading it literally would be rejecting its' actual meaning. If it isn't to much, can you provide a example?

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It seems to be understood by science that the universe has always been. At least that is the widely accepted theory until science can verify that it is more than a theory or that there is something else behind the existence of the universe.

If you cannot understand that the universe has always been with no creator behind its existence, imagine how an atheist feels in relation to God having always existed with there being nothing behind the creation of His existence.

Just because science does not have the perfect answer does not mean that the only available solution is a deity.

What science shows that the universe has never been without a creator? I'm asking out of more understanding.

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Nobody created them. They formed over millions-billions of years after the big bang.
Watch Lawrence Krauss' something from nothing lecture.

Have you read the bible?

There are quite a few videos on youtube. WHich one?

Yes I have. Can you provide a example.