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RE: Still feel trapped
May 31, 2013 at 3:56 pm
(May 31, 2013 at 3:46 pm)Consilius Wrote: Wrong. Different Christians used the Bible to justify slavery than those who abolished it.
Okay. But you're claiming that they were all Christians, aren't you? I'm taking you at your word here. If I'm understanding your statements, some Christians justified slavery on Biblical grounds out of a selfish desire for profit, and others condemned it and finally saw it abolished. Therefore Christians allowed greed to lead them to evil actions, and others provided the moral rectitude to stop a wicked practice. So who was being morally superior, the Christians, or the Christians?
It just seems to me that Christians acted a lot like anyone else. Some mistreated their fellow man to sate their own greed, others made an effort to stop the mistreatment of men and women they didn't know. What difference did Christianity make? And if its adherents did wrong and right like anyone else would, how can Christianity present itself as a moral guide?
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RE: Still feel trapped
May 31, 2013 at 4:24 pm
The only Christian who is worth following is Christ himself.
Hitler, the Crusaders, bin Laden, Westboro Baptist…religions have been manipulated for selfish reasons by malpractitioners. But am I going to generalize that "Muslims are terrorists"? Distortion of religion can be done by everybody, including atheists. An atheist can theorize that not all people are equal and it would take the atheist community to set things back on track.
To every Hitler, there is the Catholic Church (controversially), to every bin Laden, there is a Muslim community, and to every Westboro Baptist, there are Christians who take the Christian message at heart.
False belief is simply straying away from the true belief, which is not changed by the Hitler or the bin Laden.
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RE: Still feel trapped
June 4, 2013 at 12:49 am
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2013 at 12:53 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 11, 2013 at 12:25 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Take care of your children.
Fuck
Quote:Don't cheat on your wife.
You son of a bitch.....
Quote: Help those in need.
.................sigh
Quote:Don't threaten or steal for financial gain.
Goddamnit man..thats the last straw......why do you insist on ruining all of my hopes for everything in life that might one day bring me joy?
(welcome aboard btw Bo)
I see Consilius is up there peddling pious prattle about true and false beliefs. Good for him.
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