A Literal Genesis Entails An Evil God

[Raven]

smax said:
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And what parent literally leaves their children with the devil?
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Could've been worse, could've left 'em with a Catholic priest

[Godscreated]

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You say this as if I believe parents are evil, I did not, you just want to make Christians look bad even if you have to twist their words into lies, that's totally dishonest of you.

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And, I didn't say you did believe this, but your argument made the assumption that being a parent is the same as God making people. Parents bringing kids into a dangerous world is not evil.

My argument assumed that FallentoReason's proposed idea of God bringing Adam and Eve into the world, would be no different than parents bring a child into the world. So I did not say parents bring a child into the world was evil nor did I suggest that to be true.

Making a dangerous world and putting kids into it is evil. Adam did not make death or disease or calamity. He did not choose to be in the world he was in. He did not choose to be made

They may not have made those things but it was their actions that brought them into the world, all they had to do was obey one commandment and those things would not have happened. He did choose to be in the world, it was the Garden of Eden he did not choose to be in.
Are you saying children choose to be in the world, many parents do not even choose to have children, they just bring them into the world and not much more, this is unfortunate.

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God did not force them to sin, so how does that make God responsible, and do not give me an atheists typical answer of He had foreknowledge. Foreknowledge does not make one responsible for another's action. If you're having an inappropriate relationship with another person and your best friend knows about it, does that make your friend guilty because he/she did not tell your spouse. As a matter of fact you would call your friend guilty if he/she told on you.

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No, he did not force them to sin, and that is not what I am saying he did. What he did was make it possible for them to sin, not by the tired old Christian excuse of 'free will', but by placing temptation in their path and not making the consequences clear to them.

Yes the situation for Adam and Eve was made possible by God, that's why He gave them the commandment. God also gave them the free will to choose, not so much to eat the fruit or not, but to choose God or themselves and they chose themselves.

How could Adam and Eve have any realistic concept of what death entailed? Neither of them had seen a person die or suffer or go without.

They had spent time with God in the Garden every day, this we know from scripture, God could have explained death to them so they would understand what death was and meant.

If God had not placed that tree in the garden, brought it to Adam's attention (would he have even thought twice of this tree otherwise?) and gave a person with no concept of death (or of what warnings even mean, he was never even warned before) a vague warning of death, how would Adam and Eve ever sinned on their own? God made humans curious, as well, so that also is his responsibility.

Curiosity and disobedience are two different things, my mom told her curious little boy the stove eye was hot and not to tough it, and he did not. My mom brought the stove eye to my attention so she could explain it was dangerous, not so I could touch it, she knew either by curiosity or accident I would touch the stove eye. Do you not believe this also applied to Adam and Eve. They could have eaten of the tree's fruit out of curiosity or by accident, either way it would have been disastrous and then everyone would be blaming God for not telling them or putting the tree in the Garden or whatever else they could think of. They would not have sinned because there would not have been a commandment, but man would have sin in his life after they ate because of the knowledge of evil.
Sin nature comes from that knowledge and this is what God wanted to protect them and all of mankind from. Just like mom's little boy, she didn't want him to get burnt but she knew in the end that it could have happened, all her love could not stop it if he decided to test her knowledge.

It is all arbitrary. The two lived in the garden with no rules. Sin did not exist until God decided to make sin exist by making sin possible.

Yes, god made it possible for sin to exist, God did not make sin exist, He tried to prevent it with a commandment. God made sin a possibility so He and man could have a relationship of love, think about it without consequences there would be no love for anyone.

You and I are not paying for Adam and Eve's sin, we are responsible for our on sins. I thank God I'm not responsible for the sins of others.

This you say, and then immediately after, you contradict yourself:

Exactly how did I contradict.

The inheritance comes through the fall of Adam and Eve when they disobeyed God. The problem with you is you're not willing to take on the responsibility of your actions.

I have no problem taking responsibility for my actions when they have a negative effect on real people. I have a big problem taking responsibility for not being perfect, because I was not made to be perfect. I have a big problem saying sorry to God if he made me what I am. I have an enormous problem prostrating myself before a being responsible for crimes vastly more evil and cruel than anything I've ever done to anybody.

All your negative actions effect yourself or someone and they are against the righteous God of creation, of coarse being a believer gives insight to this issue.

[smax]

Could've been worse, could've left 'em with a Catholic priest

True story.

[Minimalist]

What is the"Team" name do you feel you need to be empowered by?

Us v Them.

You are "Them."

[Godscreated]

With one simple commandment.

And what parent literally leaves their children with the devil?

Anyone who does not teach their children about Christ, and God said "it would be better for that person to put a millstone around their neck and jump into the sea."

[Silver]

Anyone who does not teach their children about Christ, and God said "it would be better for that person to put a millstone around their neck and jump into the sea."

Yep, evil God.

[Godscreated]

With one simple commandment.

And hey, I'll ask you directly: why was the tree there to begin with? What purpose did it serve?

Read my last reply to Ryan, the answer is there.

[ebg]

What is the"Team" name do you feel you need to be empowered by?

Us v Them.

You are "Them."

Us? In what sense? Talk about fantasies?


Us i

[smax]

And what parent literally leaves their children with the devil?

Anyone who does not teach their children about Christ, and God said "it would be better for that person to put a millstone around their neck and jump into the sea."

so people have a moral obligation to teach their children about Christ but god doesn't?

Oh, and in what universe was that an answer to my question?

[Godscreated]

Anyone who does not teach their children about Christ, and God said "it would be better for that person to put a millstone around their neck and jump into the sea."

so people have a moral obligation to teach their children about Christ but god doesn't?

Oh, and in what universe was that an answer to my question?

In this one, why do you live in a different one.